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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    people kill people, not guns. we have all seen it before and we will see it again, the ban on guns will ultimately reek havoc. Look at Chicago, enough said.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Again, a little perspective goes a long way...

    NO ONE WITHIN THE PRESIDENT'S CABIT IS CALLING FOR BANNING ALL GUNS!!! NO ONE!!!

    Sen. Feinstein has been the only person's name I've seen repeated by Republicans/Conservatives who takes this position, but somehow every one on the Right who speaks on the gun control issue continues to quote her as if she and she alone has some broad authority to disarm America.

    STOP AND THINK, people! She doesn't have that kind of power nor influence to persuade enough members of Congress on either side to take such a stance. Furthermore, very few would even take up her proposal especially not in the wake of Sandy Hook. If anything, there are more people inside and outside of Congress who are calling for comprehensive gun control measures that make sense - initiatives that plug the holes in current gun control legislation, i.e., improving and/or expanding requirements for stronger background checks including mental health related issues, limiting the number of rounds in gun clips, and keeping assault weapons (full-auto or semi-automatic) out of the hands of every-day, average Americans. These are all common-sense approaches to reducing the violence that result from people (usually criminals and the mentally unstable) using weapons irresponsibily.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: I am NOT a proponent of taking away a citizen's right to bear arms. That in my estimation would be foolish and wrong. But I do believe there are just some weapons the general public do not need to have access to for personal protection.

    All of these scare tactics coming from the Right, i.e., quotes from the Hilter or Stalin regimes, are just taking things to the extreme. You folks need to stop.
    I certainly don't believe that the U.S. Government is in the same state as Hitler's regime was immediately prior to World War II. I think it's more like how it was after the Reichstag Fire, which many believe was actually caused by the Nazi Party itself. Kind of like many believe that elements within the U.S. government were allowed/were involved in/ orchestrated some of the events on 9/11. The Nazis got their Reichstag Fire Decree, Americans got their Patriot Act. Since then, things have only gotten worse, as documented by a few brave whistleblowers, such as Sibel Edmonds:


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    Quote Originally Posted by cado20 View Post
    people kill people, not guns. we have all seen it before and we will see it again, the ban on guns will ultimately reek havoc. Look at Chicago, enough said.
    True. Anyway, if you have some information on Chicago, please link. There's also the old adage to think of: "Who watches the watchers?" The watchers in this case being the government and the media. I personally believe that many people in the western world have become far too trusting of their governments and their mass media; from what I understand, this is precisely what potential dictators and oligarchies need to rise to power. I believe the battle on people's freedoms is being waged on 2 fronts: on their freedom of speech, as Sibel Edmonds' case aptly demonstrates, and now on the right to bear arms.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by phoenyx View Post
    True. Anyway, if you have some information on Chicago, please link. There's also the old adage to think of: "Who watches the watchers?" The watchers in this case being the government and the media. I personally believe that many people in the western world have become far too trusting of their governments and their mass media; from what I understand, this is precisely what potential dictators and oligarchies need to rise to power. I believe the battle on people's freedoms is being waged on 2 fronts: on their freedom of speech, as Sibel Edmonds' case aptly demonstrates, and now on the right to bear arms.
    Wow, you completely just read my mind. I personally think Obama is trying to make it easy for him to become a Dictator, limit the guns to stop the violence when he tries to over throw us. link:Chicago Gun Violence Returns To The National Spotlight: Is Enough Being Done?

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by cado20 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phoenyx View Post
    True. Anyway, if you have some information on Chicago, please link. There's also the old adage to think of: "Who watches the watchers?" The watchers in this case being the government and the media. I personally believe that many people in the western world have become far too trusting of their governments and their mass media; from what I understand, this is precisely what potential dictators and oligarchies need to rise to power. I believe the battle on people's freedoms is being waged on 2 fronts: on their freedom of speech, as Sibel Edmonds' case aptly demonstrates, and now on the right to bear arms.
    Wow, you completely just read my mind.
    Glad we agree :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by cado20 View Post
    I personally think Obama is trying to make it easy for him to become a Dictator, limit the guns to stop the violence when he tries to over throw us.
    I have to say at this point, that although I'm not American, I would have voted for Obama both times. I would have preferred Dennis Kucinich, but he didn't win the Democratic nomination. I'm disappointed that Obama's bailed out the banks just like Bush did, he's legalized warrantless wiretapping, he went back on his promise to look into the safety of vaccines and he seems uniterested in doing a new investigation on 9/11, but I'm really hoping that it's just that he's not informed, and that he's not one of those who would like to create a police state. I know that people who I greatly respect, such as Sibel Edmonds, are not impressed with him (the Whistleblower act that passed during his time as president does absolutely nothing to protect people in organizations such as the FBI), but I keep on hoping that he's just being duped instead of being complicit in anything.

    Thanks :-)
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    No one? So Diane Feinstein didn't want an outright ban on all firearms? A CT Senator didn't just propose a felony on all firearm ownership that's capable of more than a single shot?

    >50 % of Americans support bans on "high capacity" magazines and "assault weapons." Should Feinsteins bill, with all th
    e support it has + the full weight of the President's support, pass it would mean no more semi-automatic handguns as well.

    These things aren't liberal pipe dreams, they're under serious consideration so concerns about them is QUITE warranted.

    I'm willing to make a $200 paypal escrow bet that we see the passage of some form of gun control in the next two months, I've got $300 on something happening at the state level in at least one state. You game?
    One person s hardly a movement, or what is required. Some form? Very broad. Worse, assault weapons ban. Hardly taking all your guns or stopping self-defense. Try keep some context.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Right the argument is what tools would you be allowed to defend ones self.





    Tell that to the people in Chicago and New York City. Try getting a permit for home possession not to mention legal carry.




    The people who want to ban guns are either not rational thinkers who either fear guns since guns are capable of killing people or thinks that guns are the primary cause of crime and violent activity instead of a secondarily or tertiary reason ;or have a rational reason to ban guns for their own purposes.
    There are no gun bans. Not universal. I'm sorry, but they is huge hyperbole from gun folks.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong as usual-your silly attempt to extrapolate your situation to everyone else's confrontations with criminals is just plain stupid
    You do know there are actual statistics (not the weak news you cite concerning stopping crime, but verifiable numbers).

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    One person s hardly a movement, or what is required. Some form? Very broad. Worse, assault weapons ban. Hardly taking all your guns or stopping self-defense. Try keep some context.
    you seem to think that banning some guns will be the end of it

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do know there are actual statistics (not the weak news you cite concerning stopping crime, but verifiable numbers).
    you mean your idiotic claims that because you were able to get out of some situation without a gun means that others don't need guns?

    you sure hate the freedom of choice don't you?

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