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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Or hammers. Don't forget hammers.
    The # of murders committed with hammers is inconsequential. I don't see your point.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is as idiotic as saying no one needs chemotherapy or surgery because you have cured a pimple with a tube of Neosporin
    Hardly.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    By putting safer in quotes I think you would agree it really would not make us safer.

    Appropriate education would minimize accidents with guns. Eliminating gun free zones would also work to make us safer from those who target the disarmed.

    The main point is that some of the worst violence that occurs in ares where guns are strongly restricted and the local police force lightly patrols and comes in only for investigations.

    From what I know where gun bans have been placed violent crime has gone up not down.







    Even though guns are tools it is a fundamental right for self defense to be able to have one as well as a tool to fight against a Tyrannical government.
    No one has argued you can't defend yourself. Nor that a gun can't be one of those options. There is virtually no chance that option will be removed. The worse like to happen is a return to the the assault weapons ban. Very little else.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Not only are you arbitrarily labeling the potential measure a violation of the Amendment without a clue as to the contents, you're also claiming the President has no authority through EO to alter existing legal measures. Both are simply opinions and unfounded ones at that.

    Opinion based jargon, not much to discuss here.

    The concept and legal repercussions of the executive order has been found to be within the scope and powers of the federal government through judicial review previously, despite some insisting otherwise.

    Poor choice of wording. Executive orders are subject to judicial review as are legal measures approved by congress.
    It is within the prerogative of the Office of President of the United States to issue an executive order to inhibit an execution of law or delay funding of any budgeted item. Furthermore, he has great range of choice in determining what resorces can be dealt with; for example, insted of allowing a Navy ship to be retrofitted which the Navy requests to be mothballed, he can have that ship be striped of equipment sent out to the deep blue Ocean and then sunk. He would then request Congress for replacement. He could then be impeached by Congress but I doubt it.

    With respect to the content I do not know since he has not yet issued it but I suspect it will not be in concordance with the Powers of the Executive Branch under the Constitution
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one has argued you can't defend yourself. Nor that a gun can't be one of those options. There is virtually no chance that option will be removed. The worse like to happen is a return to the the assault weapons ban. Very little else.
    No one? So Diane Feinstein didn't want an outright ban on all firearms? A CT Senator didn't just propose a felony on all firearm ownership that's capable of more than a single shot?

    >50 % of Americans support bans on "high capacity" magazines and "assault weapons." Should Feinsteins bill, with all the support it has + the full weight of the President's support, pass it would mean no more semi-automatic handguns as well.

    These things aren't liberal pipe dreams, they're under serious consideration so concerns about them is QUITE warranted.

    I'm willing to make a $200 paypal escrow bet that we see the passage of some form of gun control in the next two months, I've got $300 on something happening at the state level in at least one state. You game?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by phoenyx View Post
    Found an interesting site:
    Dictators and Gun Control America In Chains

    Some excerpts from the site:
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    “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.”
    - Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942
    Who do you think Hitler's "subject races" and "underdogs" were? They were the scapegoat minorities the Nazi's used to instill fear and hate into the German population to help them rise to power. They were the Jews, gypsies and homosexuals and they didn't have their guns confiscated, they had all of their property and wealth confiscated and were shipped off to concentration camps. Do you think it's a coincidence that the rightwing are scapegoating minorities with brown skin and homosexuals in the US? I don't.

    Hitler rose to power through national elections and by eliminating trade unions and opposing political parties......not unlike what the right wing in the US are trying to today. He didn't have the authority or the man power to confiscate arms until he was appointed Chancelor and the passage of the Enabling Act and by then the German people were overwhelmingly in support of the Nazi party. The notion that he had to confiscate guns in order to rise to power is pure rubbish and propaganda perpetuated by the right wing in the US so that they can machtergreifung in our own country and have totaltalitarian control over all our lives...just like Hitler.

    Enabling Act of 1933 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Machtergreifung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Gleichschaltung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Thank you for reminding me that Hitler eliminated trade unions in order to rise to power.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one has argued you can't defend yourself.
    Right the argument is what tools would you be allowed to defend ones self.


    Nor that a gun can't be one of those options. There is virtually no chance that option will be removed.

    Tell that to the people in Chicago and New York City. Try getting a permit for home possession not to mention legal carry.


    The worse like to happen is a return to the the assault weapons ban. Very little else.
    The people who want to ban guns are either not rational thinkers who either fear guns since guns are capable of killing people or thinks that guns are the primary cause of crime and violent activity instead of a secondarily or tertiary reason ;or have a rational reason to ban guns for their own purposes.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    And on the other hand you've arbitrarily assigned extreme and draconian motives to those you disagree with. Both degrees of silliness and naivety I'm afraid.
    gun banners have assigned that to them selves

    Google Nelson "Pete" Shields and his quotes about incrementally banning handguns

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The # of murders committed with hammers is inconsequential. I don't see your point.
    more than with scary looking rifles people like you want to ban

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Hardly.
    wrong as usual-your silly attempt to extrapolate your situation to everyone else's confrontations with criminals is just plain stupid

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