Nonsense, we are members of this forum to discuss our opinions on a range of subjects. You don't like that others have negative opinions of Obama and his actions so your argument is to dismiss others opinions, and label them something less than worthy of discussion, in a true Sol Alenski-esque application debate that begs the question if you are not here to honestly discuss opinions with others that may disagree with you, then why are you here?
You know the answer is NONE, but you enjoy spewing your hyperbolic anti-Obama/anti-Liberal rants just to foster an atmospher of fear and anxiety. Do get over yourself, TD, and try to get a grip on reality.
Actually, I'm not personally in favor of further gun control, as I feel it wouldn't adequately address the root of such events. I'm actually on board with LaPierre's suggestion. What I do dismiss frequently and without hesitation are claims of knowledge and foresight regarding the constitutionality of alterations to current law before the specifics are so much as released. Easy to do and fun too!
Hmm..Must be Saul's cousin or something. By the way, Saul doesn't exactly have a monopoly on mockery interjected into conversation. Could just as easily be traced back to Rodney Dangerfield or Groucho.
Oh I discuss and argue a great deal, although I can't say I value opinions much at all regarding nuts and bolts, black and white issues. By the way, just what have I presented thus far that would qualify as dishonest as you suggest?
so anything that is designed to
1) ban some stuff
2) desensitize the public to bans
3) create legal precedent for bans
are part of the program to ban guns
and while one can support one of the steps without personally supporting the ultimate goal, you are still supporting those who want a total ban
Now, you can stay on the side of "political creep" that says every little step is a prelude to a larger one down the road, but I say it's a foolish position to take. Why? Over 200 years since the Militia Act was first ratified by Congress and people can still rightly purchase a gun or riffle.
Dictators and Gun Control « America In Chains
Some excerpts from the site:
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.”
- Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942
Read this post (Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard) for more information on Hitler's gun control laws.
More from the site:
“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”
- Joseph Stalin
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. By 1987 that figure had risen to 61,911,000.
“The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. … They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.”
- Benito Mussolini, address to the Italian Senate, 1931
11 years later, General Mario Robotti, Commander of the Italian 11th division in Slovenia and Croatia, issued an order in line with a directive received from Mussolini in June 1942: "I would not be opposed to all (sic) Slovenes being imprisoned and replaced by Italians. In other words, we should take steps to ensure that political and ethnic frontiers coincide.", which qualifies as ethnic cleansing policy.
The Province of Ljubljana saw the deportation of 25.000 people, which equaled 7.5% of the total population. The operation, one of the most drastic in the Europe, filled up Italian concentration camps on the island Rab, in Gonars, Monigo (Treviso), Renicci d'Anghiari, Chiesanuova and elsewhere.
More from Dictators and Gun Control:
Mao Tze Tung - Promoted Gun Control
“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”
- Mao Tze Tung, Nov 6 1938
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 10,076,000 political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated in Kuomintang China, and by 1987 another 35,236,000 exterminations were carried out under the Communists.
And one (amoung many people of note) of the entries against the confiscation of guns:
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”
– Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
For those who may not know who Thomas Jefferson was, here's his introduction in his wikipedia article:
Thomas Jefferson (April 13, 1743 (April 2, 1743 O.S.) – July 4, 1826) was an American Founding Father, the principal author of the Declaration of Independence (1776) and the third President of the United States (1801–1809). At the beginning of the American Revolution, he served in the Continental Congress, representing Virginia and then served as a wartime Governor of Virginia (1779–1781).
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"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
- Abraham Lincoln