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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    You were the one who brought up the point asking who will protect the non-gun owners against bad people who use guns in their wrongdoing. And I wish more people would think that guns are tools and not some scary demonic device that goes off and kills people.
    No, I didn't. I would that a silly conversation, which is why I said so. However, both sides too often see them as more than tools. Emotions are too often feverish all the way around.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If the intent of the second amendment was to protect the right to self defense from government then why limit it to firearms? Why not include canons, swords, axes and other methods of self defense?
    swords sabers dirks, hatchets, poleaxes, bayonets rapiers switchblades (Supreme Court of Oregon ruled that its "second amendment" applied to switchblade knives) etc are all clearly protected as well

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nonsense. I've protected myself, and an occasional neighbor just fine without ever owning a gun. A gun is nothing more than a tool. Safety should not depend on tools, but the human minds ability to reason and plan.
    that is as idiotic as saying no one needs chemotherapy or surgery because you have cured a pimple with a tube of Neosporin

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The sad truth is that we would all be "safer" if only the criminals and the police had guns. No one thinks that will work here but we need to at least miniimize the risks so our gun culture isn't so destructive to innocents. What we don't want is for everyone to "need" a gun or think that having a gun will make you safer from gun violence, that is a lie and is unacceptble given the additional deaths it would cause. The other statistic that is undisputable is the one that says more guns = more gun violence. Is that what the "gun nuts" really want? More shootings, more murders?
    By putting safer in quotes I think you would agree it really would not make us safer.

    Appropriate education would minimize accidents with guns. Eliminating gun free zones would also work to make us safer from those who target the disarmed.

    The main point is that some of the worst violence that occurs in ares where guns are strongly restricted and the local police force lightly patrols and comes in only for investigations.

    From what I know where gun bans have been placed violent crime has gone up not down.




    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I didn't. I would that a silly conversation, which is why I said so. However, both sides too often see them as more than tools. Emotions are too often feverish all the way around.

    Even though guns are tools it is a fundamental right for self defense to be able to have one as well as a tool to fight against a Tyrannical government.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    By putting safer in quotes I think you would agree it really would not make us safer.

    Appropriate education would minimize accidents with guns. Eliminating gun free zones would also work to make us safer from those who target the disarmed.

    The main point is that some of the worst violence that occurs in ares where guns are strongly restricted and the local police force lightly patrols and comes in only for investigations.

    From what I know where gun bans have been placed violent crime has gone up not down.







    Even though guns are tools it is a fundamental right for self defense to be able to have one as well as a tool to fight against a Tyrannical government.
    collectivists and statists do not consider governments killing dissidents to be a bad thing

    you may remember when Anti war activist Joan Baez condemned one of the communist nations that started killing massive numbers of people after the Viet Nam war ended. Radical communist lawyer William Kunstler chided Ms Baez noting that he thought it was wrong for her to criticize "progressive governments" where there were human rights violations.

    far lefties loathe the thought of people being able to resist and even kill collectivist government agents and leaders

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    collectivists and statists do not consider governments killing dissidents to be a bad thing

    you may remember when Anti war activist Joan Baez condemned one of the communist nations that started killing massive numbers of people after the Viet Nam war ended. Radical communist lawyer William Kunstler chided Ms Baez noting that he thought it was wrong for her to criticize "progressive governments" where there were human rights violations.

    far lefties loathe the thought of people being able to resist and even kill collectivist government agents and leaders
    Yes and I get the sense that they are pro-death penalty if it doesn't mean a trial.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    If Congress should not infringe on the 2nd Amendment most certainly the President has no authority to do so.

    Futhermore if there is a insurmountable division that is a sign that the public cannot agree on a solution and we do not need some President to make a decision by fiat

    since this violates both the idea of our government being a democracy or a republic.

    It is a position of autocracy.
    Not only are you arbitrarily labeling the potential measure a violation of the Amendment without a clue as to the contents, you're also claiming the President has no authority through EO to alter existing legal measures. Both are simply opinions and unfounded ones at that.

    Opinion based jargon, not much to discuss here.

    The concept and legal repercussions of the executive order has been found to be within the scope and powers of the federal government through judicial review previously, despite some insisting otherwise.

    Poor choice of wording. Executive orders are subject to judicial review as are legal measures approved by congress.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Not only are you arbitrarily labeling the potential measure a violation of the Amendment without a clue as to the contents, you're also claiming the President has no authority through EO to alter existing legal measures. Both are simply opinions and unfounded ones at that.

    Opinion based jargon, not much to discuss here.

    The concept and legal repercussions of the executive order has been found to be within the scope and powers of the federal government through judicial review previously, despite some insisting otherwise.

    Poor choice of wording. Executive orders are subject to judicial review as are legal measures approved by congress.

    And the court system is where an EO concerning limiting the 2nd amendment rights of American's will end up. Meanwhile, The President, who took an oath to protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, get's to wipe his ass with it.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And the court system is where an EO concerning limiting the 2nd amendment rights of American's will end up.

    Meanwhile, The President, who took an oath to protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, get's to wipe his ass with it.
    Possibly, depending on the contents within.

    More caricature based analysis. Legal analysis is best obtained from folks who actually work within said field as opposed to opinion based junk and armchair analysis from blogosphere bird brains.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    31 pages...Hmmmm...


    Let's put some perspective to this fear and anxiety over the President possibly issuing an Executive Order on "gun control". Unless that order reads "No American citizen can purchase any gun or riffle of any type in the U.S. unless they are part of a state militia or military force," you can relax.

    Restrictions on gun sales (i.e., types of weapons allowed to be sold to the general public for personal protection), types/calibers of ammunication or points of sale (i.e., general/sporting goods stores vice trade shows/flea markets) aren't the same as an all-out ban on selling any and ALL weapons. So, gun enthusiast, get a grip!

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