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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

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    I'd also hesitate to label the current political and social climate as "mass hysteria."


    Given the hysterics I see on DP, I'd have to disagree.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

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    Nice dodge, but no cigar. The founders committed treason against Britain, according to the existing laws in place at the time.
    Yes, but we are not talking about British law are we?


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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

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    So you support wasting crisises? Me, I prefer to learn from them, make changes needed, and improve.
    In my opinion, that is not the point. (It's crises, by the way.)
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

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    Yes, but we are not talking about British law are we?




    Have I made any claims about constitutionality? That was you...

    This is just speculation, but I'd guess that is because you don't particularly care if an anti-gun Obama EO was strictly Constitutional or not. Perhaps I'm wrong, but lately I do get that impression.

    Pardon me if I am a bit more concerned about the erosion of a fundamental right, though an autocratic method that is going to go over like farts in church.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Obama had better be mighty careful with that... there's a lot of us who will flat refuse to obey an Executive Order than violates the Constitution.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping he doesn't do something ill-considered that provokes something drastic... but that EO could easily create tens of thousands of Tim McVeigh's ready to declare armed revolt.

    I very very sincerely hope it does not come to that, but I will admit I'm beginning to worry.
    Considering that a lot of "gun enthusiasts" tend to think that anything that doesn't conform to their very strict, limited interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, I suspect that many of you will decide he violated the Constitution even if he didn't.

    In any case, if you guys decide to go crazy and become the criminals you guys claim you need weapons to defend yourselves against, it might actually be better for everyone else since all of you would be taken to jail and taken out of the voting pool. Hell, I've got my passport, so I don't mind leaving the country for a bit until things settle down.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Given the hysterics I see on DP, I'd have to disagree.
    Relatively small political forums aren't indicative of much of anything. Not only is the scale positively minute, specialized and more importantly, anonymous forums such as these tend to attract the more ardent and "hysterical" folks like flies. Society in general, seems to be carrying on just fine.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    any issue that has the country so divided should not be settled by executive order. seems like they are floating the idea. my opinion is that the chances are very low that the EO idea actually reaches fruition. this is the administration putting chips on the table to indicate resolve on the issue.

    should a gun control measure be passed by EO, the Democrats will face real challenges in upcoming elections. if I were a strategist, I would have strongly advised against even floating this idea. it harms the president's position more than it helps, because it plays into the opposition's stereotype, thereby giving them traction.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Considering that a lot of "gun enthusiasts" tend to think that anything that doesn't conform to their very strict, limited interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, I suspect that many of you will decide he violated the Constitution even if he didn't.

    In any case, if you guys decide to go crazy and become the criminals you guys claim you need weapons to defend yourselves against, it might actually be better for everyone else since all of you would be taken to jail and taken out of the voting pool. Hell, I've got my passport, so I don't mind leaving the country for a bit until things settle down.

    TPD, I am very sincere when I say I hope it doesn't come down to something like that. In my middle years I've come to value peace and despise strife, and I don't want to see my country torn by violence.

    However, I know a lot of gun owners. I know a lot of gun owners who are very seriously considering whether "that time has come". A good many of them are former military and have some pretty scary skills and capabilities.

    If even 1% of them decide the time has come to draw that line and go to war, you might be waiting a long time for things to "settle down", and the end result may not be as foregone as you assume.

    I will assert again that I am very sincere in hoping Obama doesn't do anything that is going to set off the hotheads and maybe cause and "American Spring".

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Relatively small political forums aren't indicative of much of anything. Not only is the scale positively minute, specialized and more importantly, anonymous forums such as these tend to attract the more ardent and "hysterical" folks like flies. Society in general, seems to be carrying on just fine.

    My "sampling" of the population is not limited to DP or the Internet, and I'm not sure I can agree with you that all is "bidness as usual".

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    any issue that has the country so divided should not be settled by executive order. seems like they are floating the idea. my opinion is that the

    should a gun control measure be passed by EO, the Democrats will face real challenges in upcoming elections.
    The insurmountable division that this issue brings to the table is the very reason that an Executive order may be in the cards here.

    Doubt it. The vast majority of those who would consider abandoning party loyalty in response to such a motion wouldn't find themselves in the Democratic corner to begin with.

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