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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    You seem to take it that way.
    " We haven't decided what that is yet. "

    This seems to be largely based on assumptions you have made rather than the evidence at hand.
    It's fanciful to think that the PotUS would even consider some of the kinds of things which people have decided to be afraid of him doing. Everybody and their dog realize that some of the scenarios being floated would have the entire nation up in arms.
    Worse than a crime, it would be a blunder.

    Imho, there's a great willingness on the part of some to suspend disbelief and swallow conspiracists' sensationalist speculations when it comes to this matter. ymmv.
    No, you are simply taking this one article and statement on its own. Now, this statement in today's political context has certain implications.

    Also, the trend, that is the where we were and where we are now, as a society, can be used to show the path of where we are going.

    So, with that, they are considering how much of a "ban" of firearms they can get away with and a way to phrase it so that there isn't an immediate rebellion.

    So, yes, there's speculation, but it's not baseless as you are attempting to imply.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    oh, and that once Mao took his people's done, his "great leap forward" cost the lives of between 60-80 million Chinese.

    That's historically what comes after disarmament.
    No historically first comes the brainwashing propaganda such as the paranoid dystopian beliefs that you espouse. Without that, Mao, Stalin and Hitler wouldnt have been able to hoodwink people like you into intimidating the rest of the population with your guns. If you keep going down that road, then pretty soon all you'll need is a uniform to make it official.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In an age of Apache helicopters, cruise missiles, carrier battle groups, and predator drones, what kind of delusional individual thinks they can defend themselves against a "tyrannical" US government? That AR-15's really going to be the difference between freedom and oppression, is it?

    If the US government decides to go 1984 on us, there isn't anything we can do to stop them. Fortunately, it's the same delusions that lead people to believe this is actually happening.
    You do know that in that situation there would be a break in the military and many of those weapons would be used by both sides... And if it really comes down to it, a big rock can get you a gun...

    At least you aren't of the mind that the government would bomb cities to deal with "rebellion" (whatever we would call what WILL happen if guns are banned).

    The fact is that the longer a guerrilla war lasts, the more likely the oppressors will lose.

    Also, most of the military is already at war abroad... So, the cops and military will likely get chewed up, even 1% of gun owners in America is over a million people, many of those trained... That's when NATO would get called in, and then, well... Either way the us is over as we know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, the actual US government would never be able to handle a forcible suppression of its whole population. But we're not talking about the actual US government here, we're talking about this absurd paranoid fantasy that the right wing has concocted. That government will do what it takes and wont have qualms about leveling cities.
    Deuce, governments have killed over 290 million civilians in the past century, usually before communist or fascist regimes are installed and typically right after they have been disarmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No historically first comes the brainwashing propaganda such as the paranoid dystopian beliefs that you espouse. Without that, Mao, Stalin and Hitler wouldnt have been able to hoodwink people like you into intimidating the rest of the population with your guns. If you keep going down that road, then pretty soon all you'll need is a uniform to make it official.





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    Um, I think you got me mistaken for someone else...

    Guns are not being sold at record numbers in America because people are being intimidated... Those guns are being sold because people are getting empowered and prepared for the worst.

    Also, how the hell do you work this logic that gun owners were responsible for those tyrants wanting to take away the guns?? So, if they had just disarmed the tyrants could have had their way and killed those millions without those pesky gun owners holding back the plan.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If they swear an oath to the constitution then they better understand what they're swearing to and not some whacked out revisionist interpretation. But it doesn't appear that some of them do. However, I think when you look over this list of rebellions and civil unrest since the American Revolution and there are a lot of them, you'll find that government with the support of public majority opinion always seems to prevail in the end....

    List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    And this is your failure to understand, not theirs. To each person the Constitution means it's own thing. You think the Constitution is a "living" document. I personally don't and I have history on my side. So I hold that if you want to curtail or remove a natural right granted in the Bill of Rights.. you need to have a Constitutional Convention or go through the process of having each State ratify it. I find my view as the most correct due to it was standard practice for the better part of 140 years prior to FDR. It ended when the Supreme Court got infected with the Progressive Movement. Laws that wouldn't have past the sniff test 10 years earlier passed without a blink. Now many in the Military gave a big fat pass on privacy and 4th amendment rights being ignored over the last 20 years as well. Do I think they actually understand the Constitution? Hell no.. the Military isn't for the thinking man, just the follower, who if there long enough becomes the leader. People will get worked up about that comment but oh well. It's the reality.


    Now the list of "rebellions" you list from Wiki (which isn't a great source by the way) is full of riots which have nothing to directly do with Federal Government actions. Only 2 rebellions happened under the US Constitution since 1789. Whiskey and Fries's Rebellion.. none ended with great violence but rather arrests and then Federal pardons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No doubt about it, Americans are a fiestly lot and every few years or so a few do rise up to shed their blood to feed the tree of liberty as they percieve it. But Thomas Jefferson apparently viewed those who rebel against their own people's representive government using violence as "ignorant and misinformed" and referred to their bloodshed as a "natural manure" and would probably prefer they use persuasion, public discourse and the ballot box.

    American Creation: Jefferson's "Tree of Liberty" Quote in Context
    Now excuse me if I don't take Brad Hart's opinion on the matter seriously. It's revision history of Thomas Jefferson on his part. Thomas Jefferson was a revolutionist. By Thomas Jefferson's own actions he acted in a manner in which Brad Hart would disapprove. But I would also state.. a Rebellion in itself can't be filled with ignorance or misinformed. As Rebellion is based on a belief that it's actors know better and it's the others who are ignorant and misinformed. This has to be true or the idea that the "Patriots" had was actually wrong and the British were correct and since I personally don't know alot of people who claim our colonial cousins were right.. I tend to see it that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    But as it stands, the ignorant and misinformed extremists have been dominating the public discourse for way too long and it's time for all the moderate, rational, informed people to step up and speak out against the extremist's self serving, dystopian manure before they do something they themselves will regret in the end.
    You are moderate, rational and informed.. I think not. You are the one quoting some hack's blog spot. Not I.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Um, I think you got me mistaken for someone else...

    Guns are not being sold at record numbers in America because people are being intimidated... Those guns are being sold because people are getting empowered and prepared for the worst.

    Also, how the hell do you work this logic that gun owners were responsible for those tyrants wanting to take away the guns?? So, if they had just disarmed the tyrants could have had their way and killed those millions without those pesky gun owners holding back the plan.
    As a matter of fact, Hitler made sure that people he didn't trust couldn't own guns right before starting World War II. From Wikipedia's entry on Gun Politics in Germany:

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    The 1938 German Weapons Act

    The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:

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    •Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[6]

    On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.[7]

    ***

    While some may disagree, most people believe that the Holocaust was right around the corner.

    Now, Obama wants to do the same in America. I don't know what his personal intentions are, but I think it's interesting to note these other events that have occurred in the not too distant past...
    DHS Buys 1.6 Billion Bullets Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

    Now We Know Why There’s A Press Blackout On S 1959 – It’s Called “ENDGAME” By DHS – Updated 7/20/08 | ThePoliticalBandit.com

    An excerpt from the second link. I took out the word "concentration" twice, as there's no proof that the camps are concentration camps from what I've seen, but left the rest in:
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    Over 800... camps are reported throughout the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive U.S. Prisoners who disagree with the government. The... camps are all staffed and manned by full-time guards, however, they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) when Martial Law is implemented in the United States (at the stroke of a Presidential pen and the Attorney General’s signature on a warrant).

    The camps have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities, many have airports. Like Auschwitz, some of the camps have airtight buildings and furnaces. The majority of the camps can each house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive “mental health” facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

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    And then there's this:
    FEMA has over 4 acres of new coffins — why?

    And this:


    Apparently they've been moved since the video:
    http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-...y-2445300.html

    I'm sure many if not most will just think it's a coincidence that all these coffins and bullets are being lined up. Me, I'm not so sure about that...
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Um, I think you got me mistaken for someone else...

    Guns are not being sold at record numbers in America because people are being intimidated... Those guns are being sold because people are getting empowered and prepared for the worst.
    The worst being the pro-gun sides paranoid delusional belief in dsytopia perpetuated by the NRA which is very similar to the same kind of paranoid propaganda that Hitler, Mao and Stalin espoused to the masses.

    Also, how the hell do you work this logic that gun owners were responsible for those tyrants wanting to take away the guns?? So, if they had just disarmed the tyrants could have had their way and killed those millions without those pesky gun owners holding back the plan.
    Where do you get off saying that Hitler, Stalin and Mao disarmed the population? They didn't disarm them, they enlisted them and 90% of them went willingly. The millions they killed were the scapegoat minorities they used to perpetate hate and fear into the ignorant masses to do their killing for them.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The insurmountable division that this issue brings to the table is the very reason that an Executive order may be in the cards here.

    Doubt it. The vast majority of those who would consider abandoning party loyalty in response to such a motion wouldn't find themselves in the Democratic corner to begin with.
    This is not a Republican/Democrat issue after all there are Democrats that are gun owners and support the second amendment and there are a few Republicans which do not support it also. The issue is one of what does the 2nd Amendment mean and what is it for. If Congress should not infringe on the 2nd Amendment most certainly the President has no authority to do so. Futhermore if there is a insurmountable division that is a sign that the public cannot agree on a solution and we do not need some President to make a decision by fiat since this violates both the idea of our government being a democracy or a republic. It is a position of autocracy.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Who protects the rights of the majority not to be shot by an avalanche of guns they don't want or need?


    If you were to replace majority with minority this would be a question based in reality. The answer is those who refuse to own arms will have to depend on their neighbors who do.
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