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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    In an age of Apache helicopters, cruise missiles, carrier battle groups, and predator drones, what kind of delusional individual thinks they can defend themselves against a "tyrannical" US government? That AR-15's really going to be the difference between freedom and oppression, is it?

    If the US government decides to go 1984 on us, there isn't anything we can do to stop them. Fortunately, it's the same delusions that lead people to believe this is actually happening.
    And this is massively understanding on how guerrilla warfare works. US's military has had it's ass handed (or a hard time) due to it a few times. While the America #1 crowd will disagree (mainly on the right). A "group" of individuals with AK-47 (74s), RPGs, and ingenuity caused more problems politically and in treasure then the US could afford to lose.. Viet Cong did it to the US in Vietnam, Shia and Sunnis did it to the US in Iraq and the Taliban is still around bleeding the US dry. Since WW2 the US military hasn't won ****. It's been withdraws and policing. So for all that tech the US has it's shown no ability to defeat guerrilla warfare. As in the world of guerrilla warfare you don't stay on the grid and the US has a horrible time finding people off the grid. Took 9 years to find Bin Laden with luck.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    A well-regulated militia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And this is massively understanding on how guerrilla warfare works. US's military has had it's ass handed (or a hard time) due to it a few times. While the America #1 crowd will disagree (mainly on the right). A "group" of individuals with AK-47 (74s), RPGs, and ingenuity caused more problems politically and in treasure then the US could afford to lose.. Viet Cong did it to the US in Vietnam, Shia and Sunnis did it to the US in Iraq and the Taliban is still around bleeding the US dry. Since WW2 the US military hasn't won ****. It's been withdraws and policing. So for all that tech the US has it's shown no ability to defeat guerrilla warfare. As in the world of guerrilla warfare you don't stay on the grid and the US has a horrible time finding people off the grid. Took 9 years to find Bin Laden with luck.
    Yes, the actual US government would never be able to handle a forcible suppression of its whole population. But we're not talking about the actual US government here, we're talking about this absurd paranoid fantasy that the right wing has concocted. That government will do what it takes and wont have qualms about leveling cities.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    All that has been taken into consideration and theorized by military strategists and their conclusion is an insurrection by civilians would not be successful....

    War Colleges Need to Plan for Military Action to Suppress ?Insurrections? on U.S. Soil

    If I recall the national guard had no problem turning their weapons on civilians during the 1960s.
    The "Scenario 2016" played out is just that.. a scenario in which the authors even state: " “Countering Al Qaeda web-based propaganda is one thing, countering domestic information bombardments is another … entirely.” and that "soldiers will no doubt have loyalties to people they know who are living in Darlington, and so their response to orders to put down the resurrection by firing on them may be questionable".

    The majority of the US military is not trained to deal with domestic threats. Soldiers swear and oath to the Constitution and the Constitution alone. If soldiers feel the Constitution is trampled on.. they have every right to refuse orders of the President. It's kinda like what happened in Egypt. Their military stayed out of the mess.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, the actual US government would never be able to handle a forcible suppression of its whole population. But we're not talking about the actual US government here, we're talking about this absurd paranoid fantasy that the right wing has concocted. That government will do what it takes and wont have qualms about leveling cities.


    But we are talking about the US Government. Government will do what it takes to stay in power, make no mistake. All Governments when threaten with loss of power will resist. You've seen it a dozen times over the last 30 years. Be it Libya, Iran, Iraq, Balkans, Russia (via Chechnya) , Egypt, Syria, UK (via Northern Ireland), France, Spain, South Africa, Mexico, and so on.. every one of these Governments made no qualms about destroying towns or killing innocent people to stay in power.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    But we are talking about the US Government. Government will do what it takes to stay in power, make no mistake. All Governments when threaten with loss of power will resist. You've seen it a dozen times over the last 30 years. Be it Libya, Iran, Iraq, Balkans, Russia (via Chechnya) , Egypt, Syria, UK (via Northern Ireland), France, Spain, South Africa, Mexico, and so on.. every one of these Governments made no qualms about destroying towns or killing innocent people to stay in power.
    Hitler and Stalin. You forgot to invoke Hitler and Stalin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    The "Scenario 2016" played out is just that.. a scenario in which the authors even state: " “Countering Al Qaeda web-based propaganda is one thing, countering domestic information bombardments is another … entirely.” and that "soldiers will no doubt have loyalties to people they know who are living in Darlington, and so their response to orders to put down the resurrection by firing on them may be questionable".

    The majority of the US military is not trained to deal with domestic threats. Soldiers swear and oath to the Constitution and the Constitution alone. If soldiers feel the Constitution is trampled on.. they have every right to refuse orders of the President. It's kinda like what happened in Egypt. Their military stayed out of the mess.
    If they swear an oath to the constitution then they better understand what they're swearing to and not some whacked out revisionist interpretation. But it doesn't appear that some of them do. However, I think when you look over this list of rebellions and civil unrest since the American Revolution and there are a lot of them, you'll find that government with the support of public majority opinion always seems to prevail in the end....

    List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    No doubt about it, Americans are a fiestly lot and every few years or so a few do rise up to shed their blood to feed the tree of liberty as they percieve it. But Thomas Jefferson apparently viewed those who rebel against their own people's representive government using violence as "ignorant and misinformed" and referred to their bloodshed as a "natural manure" and would probably prefer they use persuasion, public discourse and the ballot box.

    American Creation: Jefferson's "Tree of Liberty" Quote in Context

    But as it stands, the ignorant and misinformed extremists have been dominating the public discourse for way too long and it's time for all the moderate, rational, informed people to step up and speak out against the extremist's self serving, dystopian manure before they do something they themselves will regret in the end.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    I think there are many moderate, rational, informed people who are tremendously concerned, even if they don't own firearms themselves, about potential restrictions to the Second Amendment and who don't think this is "dystopian manure."

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    Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
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    Lincoln went to great lengths never to call it a war. For if he hadn't, he wouldn't have had a legal base on which to suppress the rebel states and keep them in the union and all the guns and all the blood shed would have been for naught. Mao wasn't exactly the brightest leader and you'd do well to find another mentor.

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    oh, and that once Mao took his people's done, his "great leap forward" cost the lives of between 60-80 million Chinese.

    That's historically what comes after disarmament.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Hitler and Stalin. You forgot to invoke Hitler and Stalin.
    Did those events happen 30 years ago? Nope.. UK, France, Spain, South Africa and Mexico are "democratic" states.

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