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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    To turn against a corrupt, out-of-control government is not to turn against the country. In fact, I would have to say that to take the side of such a government is to turn against the country.
    It's hypocritical for conservatives to turn against their own government and then expect that same government to protect their rights.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Right, it should be called the Civil Rebellion instead of a war...but you would have to had an education to understand that.
    Actually it's official name is "The War of the Rebellion" ('Civil War' is a misnomer). But, then, you would have had to have been educated and read in American history to know that interesting little factoid, as it mostly only comes up to those of us who have actually spent time searching through the archives, which name it correctly.

    Unlike you I fully understand what I quoted and it wasn't a blog, it was a law signed by Jefferson to squelch insurrections such as the one you and others are proposing. Jefferson had the support of public opinion on his side as will any president who has to put down a few extremists. So it might behoove you to remember that Timothy McVeigh is no hero.
    No, some idiot on teh interwebz thought this was some kind of brilliant answer and so you copied it. Unfortunately, you copied from a fool, because the ability of the Congress to authorize a campaign to put down insurrection =/= an Executive attempt to unilaterally overturn the second amendment.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's hypocritical for conservatives to turn against their own government and then expect that same government to protect their rights.

    Not at all - you are simply reading it backwards. As Locke (and even to an extent Hobbes) pointed out, government exists to protect our most basic rights, and when they fail to do so, they have turned against us. We can but defend ourselves, or surrender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And what form of lunacy leads you to believe that will be the executive order?
    The fact that Biden JUST SAID that this was the plan.... Not surprised that you wouldn't let facts and /or statements get in the way of your argument.

    And that is ONLY Bidens statements.

    What's the point of spoon feeding that since you'll just call it more "lunacy" and I agree with you, it is lunacy to try and go after guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Right, it should be called the Civil Rebellion instead of a war...but you would have to had an education to understand that.


    Unlike you I fully understand what I quoted and it wasn't a blog, it was a law signed by Jefferson to squelch insurrections such as the one you and others are proposing. Jefferson had the support of public opinion on his side as will any president who has to put down a few extremists. So it might behoove you to remember that Timothy McVeigh is no hero.
    If anything Tim mcveigh was a victim (though he was still guilty), but this isn't the time or the place...

    You are correct though that the majority of the fat, lazy, tv zombies will support any president in anything the doesn't interfere with their tv programming. So, of course those that won't turn in their guns will eventually fight back, and they will be called terrorists...

    Some of you seem to think that this won't impact you in any way, that's gotta be the most foolish thing I've heard in a long time... You really think you could just go to work, go home and watch tv while theres an equivalent of a war going on in your back yard.

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    Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If you will read the OP you may notice that there're zero instances of the govt "threatening to take the guns".
    That's why I wondered how that idea worked its way into your head.

    Curious don't you think?
    The article did not say that the govt was "threatening to take the guns."
    Nor did Biden threaten to take the guns.

    Still a number of people are quite certain that was what happened. A curious and notable phenomenom, imho.
    Well, Biden said :
    "The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executive orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

    This is a clear declaration of intent, which is the definition of a threat, add that to the 10 or so gun control bills that have been proposed and / or presented.

    You're grasp of language betrays your pretentious pseudo-intellectualism.

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    Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standard

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Around the time that the fraudulent 1994 “assault weapon”*ban was passed, Ms. Feinswine came out and admitted, in an interview on “60 Minutes”, that what she really wanted, and would have pushed for if she thought she could get the votes to pass it, was a complete ban on all privately-owned firearms, “Mr, and Mrs. America, turn them in.” What she authored was, at the time, the closest to that that she thought she could get away with in one step.
    Thanks, I was tryin to find that quote...

    This raises the question : WHY is government pushing to get the guns??

    Both Britain and australia have banned guns and seen an increase in crime, next is knife / blunt object control, because people can be dangerous animals regardless of the weapon used.

    So, why the push to restrict guns?? The facts show it does not work.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Well, Biden said :
    "The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executive orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."
    I cannot find the part about confiscating guns.
    Can you underline it?
    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    This is a clear declaration of intent, which is the definition of a threat...
    Afaict, there's more to the definition of a threat than mere intent. It has to be an intent to do some harm iirc. I mean I have an intent to get another cup of coffee. But that's hardly a threat.
    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You're grasp of language betrays your pretentious pseudo-intellectualism.
    Sorry to hear that.
    I had been hoping that my grasp of language would remain loyal to my "pretentious pseudo-intellectualism." ...especially after all they have been through together. That's life I s'pose.

    Have you thought much about your motivation to shift the topic of conversation to my varied multitude of personality flaws?
    Cataloging my many flaws doesn't seem to do much to advance your case that Biden threatened "to take the guns."
    Discussing my shortcomings seems to distract and detract from your case, imho.
    Of course, ymmv. You may feel that it logic dictates that if I have flaws then Biden did indeed "threaten to take the guns."
    idk
    But, fwiw and imho, it doesn't seem to strengthen your argument.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually it's official name is "The War of the Rebellion" ('Civil War' is a misnomer). But, then, you would have had to have been educated and read in American history to know that interesting little factoid, as it mostly only comes up to those of us who have actually spent time searching through the archives, which name it correctly.
    Thanks I'll add your link to my favorites. Nevertheless, not remembering the official name does not negate my original response. But it is a very interesting historical factoid that many are unaware of and for me it gave an entire new perspective on the Civil War. I thought it was brilliant on Lincoln's part and was probably the most single important factor that kept the union in tact..legally.


    No, some idiot on teh interwebz thought this was some kind of brilliant answer and so you copied it. Unfortunately, you copied from a fool, because the ability of the Congress to authorize a campaign to put down insurrection =/= an Executive attempt to unilaterally overturn the second amendment.
    The point of posting the 1807 insurrection law was in response to someone posting Jeffersons quote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” and was not intended to address your strawman second amendment. The blog I copied it from was well "sourced" rendering your criticism fallacious and irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, that same great man you quoted signed a law in 1807 granting the president the power to use the standing army against US citizens......

    Elektratig: Thomas Jefferson Enforces the Embargo 1: Congress Authorizes the Use of the Army and Navy to Suppress Insurrection....
    One of those words there is more important than the others. Can you guess which one?
    It was approved by congress and signed by Jefferson into law. Once it became law, the president as "commander in chief" and "executor of the laws" and "having first observed all pre-requisites" does not need congressional authorization to use the standing army to suppress insurrections.....


    Be it enacted, &c., That in all cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws, either of the United States, or of any individual State or Territory, where it is lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia for the purpose of suppressing such insurrection, or of causing the laws to be duly executed, it shall be lawful for him to employ for the same purposes, such part of the land or naval force of the United States, as shall be judged necessary, having first observed all the pre-requisites of the law in that respect.

    SEC. 2. And be it further enacted, That whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed, or the execution thereof obstructed, in any state, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by this act, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States, to call forth the militia of such state, or any other state or states, as may be necessary to suppress such combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed; and the use of militia so to be called forth may be continued, if necessary, until the expiration of thirty days after the commencement of the then next session of Congress.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Really, why should gun manufacturers have an constitutional amendment just for their products?
    The 2nd amendment was not written to protect gun manufacturers. In point of fact, I doubt there was any kind of established gun manufacturing at the time it was written. The 2nd amendment was written to protect our right to self-defense from an over-reaching government - to put restrictions on government from taking our firearms.

    How can you not possibly know or understand this?!
    Some apes are more equal...

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