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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I'd say the ACLU has a MUCH better track record of actually supporting court action to change/define the limits of our laws.
    Not unless you're white. ...or male. ...or non-unionized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Citation needed
    Read OP.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, you went into some mouth-drooling about "you guys" and thinking "Obama is a moron," which I never said a thing about.

    And to the extent you "restated" what Redress said (which you didn't, as Redress obviously had something specific in mind -- but apparently we'll never know what, seeing as Redress has fled), you also fail to answer the question. Which, indeed, needs to be answered, because as Simon W. Moon was helpful in illustrating, there's nothing a constitutional EO CAN do.

    So, step up and take a shot at what you think such an EO could be. If not, you're prattling on about nonsense that you hope to be true, not anything of any epistemological worth, and that's the whole point of my question.

    Go for it. Or don't, and babble on to someone else who might care.
    An example of a potential EO that I would suspect is totally constitutional:

    Federal background checks for gun purchases will have additional information added to the database checked to help to better catch people with a documented history of mental illness. (which I think would have been prudent after the Giffords shooting)

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    An example of a potential EO that I would suspect is totally constitutional:

    Federal background checks for gun purchases will have additional information added to the database checked to help to better catch people with a documented history of mental illness. (which I think would have been prudent after the Giffords shooting)
    And where is this additional information collection authorized by statute?
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What strawman, you actually made threads comparing paintball to combat and compared toys that fire paint to firearms.
    No, I didn't and your lying strawman isn't going to change that fact.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No, I didn't and your lying strawman isn't going to change that fact.
    My apologies. I mixed you up with another poster.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A big part of your dilemma stems from the assumption that a tyrannical government would retain the loyalty of the military. The military is not some big, monolithic mindless machine under the government's control. It consists of a very large number of individual American citizens, every one of which has taken an oath to uphold the Constitution and to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I think it's a safe bet that a very large proportion of these individuals would, if it came to that—a tyrannical government handing down orders to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow Americans, and to make war against their fellow Americans—would understand what their true duty is in accordance with that oath, and act to fulfill that duty.

    I wonder if the SS would be able to protect the President against what he thought was his own military. Of course, the SS also consists of citizens who have taken that same oath, and under the circumstances being described, may very well also choose to obey that oath.
    Thanks for bringing this up. Every time I mention the miltiary vs. the U.S., I do keep in mind that not every soldier in the military would turn on its people. However, I have also come into contact with a lot of soldiers who have nothing but contempt for the civilian population. All they care about is their own immediate community, and the rest of America be damned. All the government and media has to do is paint patriots as insurgents or radicals and a lot of support will be retained. It works for foreign combattants and it would work here.

    Even if some people in the military turn coat, a lot would remain. All the government has to do is deploy troops to areas that they aren't from. For example, deploying troops from the south to the north. When they have no attachment to the region they are more likely to open fire on the people there. It's the strategy most used in domestic disturbances around the world, even today.

    The point I'm trying to prove is that in this day and age, the Second Amendment does not guarantee we could even fight tyranny. Most of our population is dying slowly of obesity. Many people don't even show up to vote... forget putting them into militias!

    The Second Amendment should remain as is, I just don't think it has much teeth according to its original purpose.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A year ago this would have been a conspiracy theory since there was no evidence to support it. No one cvould have predicted the mass outcry by the public for something like this. Being right one time in a million is not something to take pride in.
    No excuse, not evidence.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Ah, so it's not the weapon but in fact the person using the weapon.

    The same could be said of a madman with a pistol, grenade, knife, or automobile.
    Why yes it could. But the difference is a madman claiming self defense using a grenade, knife, or automobile isn't protected by the second amendment. So I propose that instead of the second amendment just protecting firearms, lets include all weapons and objects that can be used for self defense including boxcutters, screwdrivers, hammers, tire irons, baseball bats, rocks, sticks, bricks, heck, even a lawn chair could make great weapon. Really, why should gun manufacturers have an constitutional amendment just for their products? Thats not fair to the car industry or knife making industry or the even the patio furniture industry, now is it? And after all, wasn't this country was founded on equality and equal justice for all?

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Um, McVeigh used a homemade bomb....Should we ban fertilizer, and diesel fuel now too?
    Those products are heavily regulated, but since you like that comparison so much, then perhaps guns should be regulated as well....um.

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