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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, that same great man you quoted signed a law in 1807 granting the president the power to use the standing army against US citizens......

    Elektratig: Thomas Jefferson Enforces the Embargo 1: Congress Authorizes the Use of the Army and Navy to Suppress Insurrection


    And....here's how it would play out today....

    War Colleges Need to Plan for Military Action to Suppress ?Insurrections? on U.S. Soil

    Yes, and by your standard, no one would have the protection to ward against that from an unscrupulous government...
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    An EO is to make sure the the law is executed as written. The EO does not give the president the ability to create laws. This means Obama can not use it to create further restriction on guns like Biden thinks he can.
    Exactly correct and any EO that Obama issues that attempts to further restrict firearms is an illegal unconstitutional order. Just like his illegal order to allow illegal aliens to get identification and allowing them to get jobs.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, and by your standard, no one would have the protection to ward against that from an unscrupulous government...
    It's true my standards are very high and it would take a lot more than the government regulating a few firearms and/or ammo that probably does more harm than good for me to turn against my country.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's true my standards are very high and it would take a lot more than the government regulating a few firearms and/or ammo that probably does more harm than good for me to turn against my country.
    Yes, you should probably wait until you have nothing to fight with...
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    It was never intended to be like this...I dont know who started it either and I dont care
    Wilson, mostly. To a lesser extent, Lincoln - but that was wartime specific, and it went away after him. Wilson revived it, Coolidge did his best to ignore it, Hoover and then FDR full-flowered it, and ever since then every President has found it too tempting not to touch.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's true my standards are very high and it would take a lot more than the government regulating a few firearms and/or ammo that probably does more harm than good for me to turn against my country.

    Ok, I asked people before, now I will ask you....What defines an assault weapon?
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, that same great man you quoted signed a law in 1807 granting the president the power to use the standing army against US citizens......

    Elektratig: Thomas Jefferson Enforces the Embargo 1: Congress Authorizes the Use of the Army and Navy to Suppress Insurrection
    One of those words there is more important than the others. Can you guess which one?

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Jefferson was casually refering to the Shay rebellion. But guess what? After Thomas Jefferson became president, he signed a law that gave him the presidential authority to use a standing army to squish domestic insurrections.....yea, think about that the next time you're citing his "against tyranny" quote.....

    Um yeah? Congress has the right to pass laws relating to the declaration of armed conflict. For example, 60 odd years later, they squished a rather significant domestic insurrection. I realize that our public education system has fallen as of late - but you must have heard of it. There was a Denzel Washington movie and everything.


    Now, had Jefferson attempted unilaterally to abridge the Constitutional rights of the American Citizenry, yeah you would have a point on the claim that he was a hypocrite on this issue. Unfortunately, it seems that you're just quoting a blog without understanding it.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    An EO would only be unconstitutional if and only if congress passes a law that contravenes the EO, or the Supreme Court rules it so. Using an EO to, for example, restrict magazine articles would be legal, up until one of those two situations happened.
    That is incorrect - EO's apply only to members of the executive branch. Government services could be forbidden from writing magazine articles; but the general populace would be free to continue to write as many diatribes in Better Homes and Gardens as they wish.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, I asked people before, now I will ask you....What defines an assault weapon?
    I think if many anti-2nd amendment crack pots had it their way then assault weapon would be defined as any semi-automatic weapon that accepts a detachable magazine and revolvers.
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