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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Do you really believe second amendment protects your right to attack the government and kill elected officials? Really? That would be kinda stupid for a government to put that in writting, doncha think?
    That's essentially how this country was founded. And the great men who wrote our Constitution recognized that the need might arise to repeat the process.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If you are going to claim that, then show me the text in the Constitution that gives the President the authority to unilaterally create law.
    Do you find that the PotUS is in charge of the executive branch of govt?
    If you do see that the PotUS is in charge of the executive branch of govt, do you find that the PotUS has not only the right, but the responsibility to exercise his administration of the executive branch?
    If you find that the PotUS is in charge of the executive branch of govt and that he needs to exercise his control over the executive branch of govt, do you realize that to do so he must make his instructions to the executive branch known?
    If you find that the PotUS is in charge of the executive branch of govt and that he needs to exercise his control over the executive branch of govt and that to do so he must make his instructions to the executive branch known, do you see that executive orders are his instructions to the executive branch of government?

    W/o being able to give instructions to the executive branch, how is the PotUS going to be able to run the executive branch of govt?
    None of that has anything to do with making laws. The President doesn't have the authority to create laws on his own.

    If you're going to claim otherwise, then show me where it says so in the Constitution.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    We have things in the military called "unlawful orders", You see we are required to follow orders from our commanding officers, if our commanding officer says go and torture that kid over there? Not so much.

    If we choose to follow that order, "I was just following orders" is not an acceptable defense in trial.

    We are not just mindless robots, we are expected to think and make decisions on what is right or wrong.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There isn't anything "adjusted priorities" could do which would do anything toward what it's supposedly to do.
    What is it supposed to do?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If the president through an executive order bans guns, that will be the "this"
    That is exactly what the preppers are preparing for.
    I noticed that you added an "if" this time?
    Is there any reasonable reason to believe that the PotUS will try to ban gun ownership via executive order?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    None of that has anything to do with making laws.
    that is correct. We're talking about executive orders, not laws.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The President doesn't have the authority to create laws on his own.
    So?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If you're going to claim otherwise, then show me where it says so in the Constitution.
    Why would I claim that the PotUS could legislate? The PotUS can issue executive orders though.
    And EOs are not laws.

    Just trying to help you understand about EOs.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    What is it supposed to do?
    This, apparently:

    "As the president said, if your actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of Americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."
    As well as the general "deal with guns."
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You have in fact not. Gun rights are less restrictive now than they have been any time recently. And some one who claims to be neutral on some rights, and is actually against others, can't go and claim to be a big defender of right. At least I am consistent, and believe strongly in protecting rights, even when I do not like the outcome of that protection. Being willing to limit people's access to medical treatments(see abortion), but don't come after my gun, that is not consistently defending rights. Claiming to be neutral on the right to marry, but heaven help some one who is considering possibly, maybe limiting in some way that might even pass Supreme Court muster, and you are willing to declare your intent to ignore those laws(which there is no constitutional basis for you to be able to do)...that is not a consistent defense of rights, and kinda means you should not be crying about any "erosion of rights".

    I wonder how fast you'd scream if Bush had said he was going to issue an Executive Order putting "some reasonable restrictions" on abortion... probably fast and loud.

    If I'm a hypocrite apparently I'm not the only one...

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    What is the proposed EO?

    I heard today on the radio that Biden has said "the focus is going to be on mental health issues and banning hi-cap magazines".

    I haven't verified that with other sources yet, but that's what I heard.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Is there any reasonable reason to believe that the PotUS will try to ban gun ownership via executive order?
    We don't know yet, my guess is that no, he will not "ban all guns" through executive fiat, but what he, and Holder will come up with will probably the stupidest gobledy gook since Fienstien came up with the first absurd banning of rifles based on their looks. In any case, why isn't he doing so properly, by going through congress to write a law? I'll tell you, because his own demo's won't vote for it. They still remember the blood bath election they went through the first time.

    We're talking about executive orders, not laws.
    Is there any reason to believe that his EO won't carry the force of law?
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    banning hi-cap magazines
    Yeah. He doesn't have the authority to do that.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    That's essentially how this country was founded. And the great men who wrote our Constitution recognized that the need might arise to repeat the process.

    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” — Thomas Jefferson
    Well, that same great man you quoted signed a law in 1807 granting the president the power to use the standing army against US citizens......

    Elektratig: Thomas Jefferson Enforces the Embargo 1: Congress Authorizes the Use of the Army and Navy to Suppress Insurrection


    And....here's how it would play out today....

    War Colleges Need to Plan for Military Action to Suppress ?Insurrections? on U.S. Soil

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