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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did not say the second amendment was trivial. That is not the issue. You can protest the second amendment issue equally well with or without whatever guns or hardware would be deemed illegal. The only r4eason to disobey would be a desire to hold onto that hardware, and that reason is trivial.
    No, the reason to disobey would be that the President of the United States does not have the authority to unilaterally overturn the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Do you really believe second amendment protects your right to attack the government and kill elected officials? Really? That would be kinda stupid for a government to put that in writting, doncha think?
    Unless said government was dedicated to the principle that power flows to a limited government of enumerated and specific abilities from the people, rather than the other way 'round. If you'd like, it's not exactly difficult to dig up the old quotes:

    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson


    We don't have the Second Amendment so that we can shoot at deer. We have the Second Amendment so that we can shoot at government if it get's taken over by tyrants.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Is there any reality-based indication that this would be the case?
    'Cause on it's face, the suggestion sounds like over-exaggerated, far-fetched, hyperbolic paranoia.
    VP Biden words often are over-exaggerated, and far fetched. Are you suggesting we should ignore them?
    EO to be announced then rammed down our throats. What are your thoughts concerning the chief executive legislating?
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, the reason to disobey would be that the President of the United States does not have the authority to unilaterally overturn the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
    There is no suggestion he would overturn the second amendment. Anything he is likely to do if he does go this route would be defensible to some extent in a court of law. Whether it actually was upheld in the end or not, who knows, but it won't be clear-cut unconstitutional.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is no suggestion he would overturn the second amendment.
    An executive order seeking to restrict the citizenry's right to keep and bear arms would indeed fulfill that definition. If he orders all members of the Executive Branch to turn in their issued weapons that's his right.





    (Occam's Razor) but more likely this was just Biden being an idiot. It's not exactly impossible.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you have any clue what had just happened prior to the constitution being drafted
    Yeah, but that was over 230 years ago. A lot has happened since then. Geezus, TD get a grip, this is the 21st century and you should be worried about the government infringing on your internet and spying on you by satelite, instead of your muskets. LOL

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    An executive order seeking to restrict the citizenry's right to keep and bear arms would indeed fulfill that definition. If he orders all members of the Executive Branch to turn in their issued weapons that's his right.

    (Occam's Razor) but more likely this was just Biden being an idiot. It's not exactly impossible.
    An EO would only be unconstitutional if and only if congress passes a law that contravenes the EO, or the Supreme Court rules it so. Using an EO to, for example, restrict magazine articles would be legal, up until one of those two situations happened.
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    VP Biden words often are over-exaggerated, and far fetched. Are you suggesting we should ignore them?
    Are the words "executive orders to ban guns"* Biden's words?
    Or are they something which has been dreamed up and assigned to Biden by the frightened and the fear mongers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    EO to be announced then rammed down our throats.
    You can tell that the EO will be a far-fetched ban on owning firearms because...?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    What are your thoughts concerning the chief executive legislating?
    The chief executive cannot legislate.







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    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you support wasting crisises? Me, I prefer to learn from them, make changes needed, and improve.
    There is a difference between a real crisis (I.e. world hunger) and a tragic incident made into a crisis.
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