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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    I disagree totally with using all these executive orders to get around congress. The teaparty is an obstructive pain in the butt and I disagree totally with them...but our process has always been DEAL WITH IT.
    All the democrats that are wetting themselves with glee that obama is going to take guns or use the platinum coin ploy need to remember something....There will be more Republican Presidents and how are you going to like it when they do the same thing on issues your stone cold against ?...its always a two way street...theres pleasure an theres pain

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Taking in huge amounts of money, maintaining a very nice presence in DC, buying some of the best 'consultants' member money can buy, and accomplishing so little using so much and taking forever to do anything.
    So....like the ACLU? NLRB?

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A year ago this would have been a conspiracy theory since there was no evidence to support it. No one cvould have predicted the mass outcry by the public for something like this. Being right one time in a million is not something to take pride in.
    His record in Illinois of trying to **** on the 2nd amendment is pretty good evidence that he would do the same thing as president.So idea that there was no evidence is a load of horse **** spewed by anti-2nd amendment crack pots lying their asses off that there was nothing to worry about.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    With the SCOTUS ruling not that long ago that overruled handgun bans, I don't see what Obama could possibly do that could be so major. He has executive privilege but he would still have to contend with the other branches.

    I do believe in the Second Amendment and the function of a well armed population against tyranny. It's just hard for me to reconcile the era that the Constitution was made vs. what firearms are capable of in the modern world. Gun technology has changed a lot. If the U.S. government ever turned tyrannical and was able to retain loyalty of the military, I'm not sure what the general population could do.
    Funny how that when the 2nd amendment was written our founders didn't go OH since the military and law enforcement have muskets you people shall be restricted to bows and arrows, crossbows, clubs,bladed weapons,fire arrows and etc.

    Tanks vs. guns? I dunno. I'm not saying that should be a reason to limit the Second Amendment, but is the population armed enough to really take on the government anyway?
    Tanks can be stopped with concertina wire and many other obstructions.Tanks also have a limited range,so their fuel source can be cut off.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not making kneejerk emotional reactions to a tragedy, is something I've been advocating all along.

    I cannot lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that gives the President, alone by Executive Order, the right to modify or limit part of the Bill of Rights.

    And your last statement is in error. I have seen a lot of erosion of rights, not just the 2A, and that isn't the only thing I am passionate about though I admit it is ONE of my biggest issues yes.
    You have in fact not. Gun rights are less restrictive now than they have been any time recently. And some one who claims to be neutral on some rights, and is actually against others, can't go and claim to be a big defender of right. At least I am consistent, and believe strongly in protecting rights, even when I do not like the outcome of that protection. Being willing to limit people's access to medical treatments(see abortion), but don't come after my gun, that is not consistently defending rights. Claiming to be neutral on the right to marry, but heaven help some one who is considering possibly, maybe limiting in some way that might even pass Supreme Court muster, and you are willing to declare your intent to ignore those laws(which there is no constitutional basis for you to be able to do)...that is not a consistent defense of rights, and kinda means you should not be crying about any "erosion of rights".
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Something like this will validate why the "preppers" do what they do.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Interesting, so not only are you jumping to conclusions, you are unqualified to judge based on the law itself. Well done!
    Actually he is. According to the Supreme Court, all executive officers who swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution must therefore have direct access to the Constitution . Goshin, as a Police Officer, and I, as a member of the Armed Forces, are not only allowed, we are required to refuse to enact any order which we perceive as violating the Constitution of the United States of America. Isn't Constitutional History neat?
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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I disagree totally with using all these executive orders to get around congress. The teaparty is an obstructive pain in the butt and I disagree totally with them...but our process has always been DEAL WITH IT.
    All the democrats that are wetting themselves with glee that obama is going to take guns or use the platinum coin ploy need to remember something....There will be more Republican Presidents and how are you going to like it when they do the same thing on issues your stone cold against ?...its always a two way street...theres pleasure an theres pain
    You know how President Obama passed a de facto Amnesty by ordering the Border Patrol to not use it's limited resources tracking down or arresting illegal aliens of a certain age etc?

    Yeah, it's going to be interesting when President Fill-In-The-Blank decides to de facto alter the tax code by ordering the IRS not to use its limited resources tracking down or collecting capital gains taxes.

    The Imperial Presidency is (I agree) a bipartisan problem.

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    No Turtle, no one sees the death of 20 schoolkids who don't have all their permanent teeth as a benefit.
    Yeah. No one out there that I can think of approaches tragic issues with the mindset of "you never want to let a crisis go to waste".

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    Re: Biden: Obama Considering 'Executive Order' to Deal With Guns | The Weekly Standar

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Obama had better be mighty careful with that... there's a lot of us who will flat refuse to obey an Executive Order than violates the Constitution.
    I would refuse to obey this one. I don't know if I would go full rogue, but I would definitely refuse to obey the law.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping he doesn't do something ill-considered that provokes something drastic... but that EO could easily create tens of thousands of Tim McVeigh's ready to declare armed revolt.
    Yup. The really crappy part is, it's going to put alot of people in the middle. The average cop doesn't want to become part of a low-level counterinsurgency. He's just a middle class guy trying to protect people from criminals and take care of his family. Now some clown in Washington has made him a political target in a cause he probably has sympathy for.

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