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    Re: Plan To Throw Grenades At Six Blacks & 1 Gay Foiled By Police!

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Possibly, yet that required the action of the teacher as well. Simply writing down a "plot" in a priavte journal did not place anyone else in fear. Only the release of that journal or publishing its content, to include the names of the specific targets, could place them in fear.
    That may indeed create difficulty getting a conviction. But:
    1) We do not have access to the full case at this point. What lead to the discovery of the material by the teacher. If this student said anything, or communicated non-verbally, for example that indicated a threat and lead to the discovery. Or if he had the book in question open in class or another public display of it. *shrug*
    2) The alleged physical actions taken to assembling the bombs, if accepted as such by judge/jury, would demonstrate his intent and an attempt at the assault where-upon his legal goose is cooked.

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    Re: Plan To Throw Grenades At Six Blacks & 1 Gay Foiled By Police!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Who's the dog and who's the crab?
    Based on the way things have been today I'll be the crab...it just kind of fits.

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    Plan To Throw Grenades At Six Blacks & 1 Gay Foiled By Police!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    So if I go to a bar and yell, "You're lucky I don't beat your ass" I should be charged with conspiracy to commit assault?
    No. Now If you plot it, write a book about it, and purchase the means to commit the act...that's another story now isn't it.

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    Re: Plan To Throw Grenades At Six Blacks & 1 Gay Foiled By Police!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    That may indeed create difficulty getting a conviction. But:
    1) We do not have access to the full case at this point. What lead to the discovery of the material by the teacher. If this student said anything, or communicated non-verbally, for example that indicated a threat and lead to the discovery. Or if he had the book in question open in class or another public display of it. *shrug*
    2) The alleged physical actions taken to assembling the bombs, if accepted as such by judge/jury, would demonstrate his intent and an attempt at the assault where-upon his legal goose is cooked.
    Maybe, but a misdemeanor conviction of a minor is nothing, compared to an involutary commitment to a secure mental health facility, which is what I would prefer (from what I know of this case).
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Plan To Throw Grenades At Six Blacks & 1 Gay Foiled By Police!

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No. Now If you plot it, write a book about it, and purchase the means to commit the act...that's another story now isn't it.
    Okay, now we can go by more of a comparative example.

    As I mentioned, even if he did have everything he listed, he couldn't make a worthwhile bomb. So how about if I went into the bar with something that may not kill or maim, but perhaps sting a bit and maybe hurt a little while...like a broomstick.

    Far as I'm concerned, this kid could've said that he was going to burn their eyes out by pouring Dr. Pepper on them.

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    Re: Plan To Throw Grenades At Six Blacks & 1 Gay Foiled By Police!

    If being an asshole was a crime in and of itself, almost all of us would be in prison and we'd have to hire guards from India.

    This is mind-crime and while this kid needs a spanking, he doesn't need a felony. We're too fast to convict and condem (IMHO of course).



    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There is absolutely no reason to be sympathetic to this guy. For Gods sake...they managed to PREVENT a moron from at least attempting to kill 7 people (and whoever else may have been around them). Lets count this a win and throw the little sonofabitch into a cell with some new best friends...30-40 years sounds about right. And then lets make his life in prison a reality show so any other little jagoff contemplating such behavior might have real second thoughts about it. Get off the train to namby pamby land. Actions have consequences. This kid should be hit with every possible charge they can make stick.
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    I couldn't care less about cheaper. I care that these little assholes get it through their dome that this is not acceptable behavior.

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    Plan To Throw Grenades At Six Blacks & 1 Gay Foiled By Police!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Okay, now we can go by more of a comparative example.

    As I mentioned, even if he did have everything he listed, he couldn't make a worthwhile bomb. So how about if I went into the bar with something that may not kill or maim, but perhaps sting a bit and maybe hurt a little while...like a broomstick.

    Far as I'm concerned, this kid could've said that he was going to burn their eyes out by pouring Dr. Pepper on them.
    That's not accurate. The news articles I read quoted experts that stated with gunpowder and fuse, they would have done precisely what he thought they would do. What we have (and it is mind numbing that people are defending the little ****) is a guy that plotted to murder at least 7 people that was caught before he was able to complete the act and you people are acting like he is the victim.

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    Plan To Throw Grenades At Six Blacks & 1 Gay Foiled By Police!

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    If being an asshole was a crime in and of itself, almost all of us would be in prison and we'd have to hire guards from India.

    This is mind-crime and while this kid needs a spanking, he doesn't need a felony. We're too fast to convict and condem (IMHO of course).
    Geeeeez us. His crime wast being an asshole, it was conspiracy to commit murder. WTF is wrong with you?

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    Re: Plan To Throw Grenades At Six Blacks & 1 Gay Foiled By Police!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    As I mentioned, even if he did have everything he listed, he couldn't make a worthwhile bomb. So how about if I went into the bar with something that may not kill or maim, but perhaps sting a bit and maybe hurt a little while...like a broomstick.
    Hitting someone with a broomstick is assault! So yup. As can be pouring Dr. Pepper on someone, it matters not how delicious your weapon may be!

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    Re: Plan To Throw Grenades At Six Blacks & 1 Gay Foiled By Police!

    So apparently some here think no crime has been committed until there are mutilated bodies in the street. Are y'all nuts??

    If Dylan Klebold's parents had simply opened his bedroom door and seen pipe bomb components and weapons strewn around the room, along with written plans to slaughter as many classmates as possible, does anyone honestly think they should have just closed the door, shrugged, and said, "Until he actually kills somebody, he hasn't committed a crime?" Hell, no! The very act of planning to kill someone is a crime. If a person tells his/her psychiatrist about plans to murder someone or commit a massacre, that psychiatrist is legally bound to report it to the police. Why? Because it's a freaking crime, that's why!!

    Some of the posts here have me yanking my jaw out of my lap. Sheesh.

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