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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    While there are those who feel the Republicans should get their act together the American people decided to vote for more debt, economic lethargy, an uncertain foreign policy and class warfare.

    I don't feel this is the fault of the Democrats or the Republicans. It is the present generation of the American people who are to blame for this mess, and their reelection of someone like Barrack Obama only underscores that point.
    I think its the fault of democrats and republicans, who are the american people after all. They no longer stand for ideas or principles, just games and power.

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I had actually hoped with the 2010 midterms the Republicans had found their method of solidifying the disparate groups by having a unified message focusing primarily on fiscal and governmental conservatism. It's the portoin of the platform that generally most of the various groups within the base like to some degree and is least objectable to any particular group. This is different from the Defense and Social aspects of the platform that appeal more heavily to some parts of the base but act as a deterrent for other parts of the base when it's focused on.

    I do'nt think it's an argument of moderate vs extreme. I think the idiotic "War on Women" meme and comments on rape that some of the candidates made and similar type things were more damaging then the notion of not raising taxes and cutting spending.
    The problem Zyph is that the ultra right-wing evangelical base of the party cares more about the social agenda than they do about anything else. They are killing the GOP from expanding outside the ultra-conservative base. Unless the GOP finds a way to neutralize them or cuts ties with them, the GOP cannot attract the moderates and independents necessary to win a national election.
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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Yea, I thought the rise of the Tea Party would usher in an era of Republicanism that was focused heavily on fiscal conservatism and the general reduction of bloated government.

    I abhor that much of it became about forced vaginal probes, irresponsible stances on illegal immigration, and discriminatory views on gays.

    Same old Republican party. Willing to sacrifice their principles of limited government and individual choice in the name of legislating morality.

    Add in a shameful campaign by the mainstream media to depict all tea partiers as racists bigots (in stark contrast to the vomit freeloaders in OWS who were exalted), and you have Republican dysfunction.

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I think its the fault of democrats and republicans, who are the american people after all. They no longer stand for ideas or principles, just games and power.
    Americans just voted for the biggest spender and borrower in their history when there were alternatives available. They brought it on themselves.

    Other countries had to learn the hard way but each country seems to believe they can do socialism better than the other countries which have failed. It just repeats itself everywhere, like any shell game. Only the politicians and big business benefit.

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Americans just voted for the biggest spender and borrower in their history when there were alternatives available. They brought it on themselves.

    Other countries had to learn the hard way but each country seems to believe they can do socialism better than the other countries which have failed. It just repeats itself everywhere, like any shell game. Only the politicians and big business benefit.
    Typical american. Blame someone else and ignore your own part in the mess. Obama did not bring this country down. If this country was weak enough that one black man could topple it perhaps it needed to be brought down. Still, until people start recognizing their own part in the problem nothing will happen because they will always be distracted by the blame game.

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Americans just voted for the biggest spender and borrower in their history when there were alternatives available.
    Which alternatives?

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The AP article here is but one example of "op-ed journalism".... This shouldn't be carried in Breaking news, but in Opinions....But beyond that, The GOP needs to get back to basics, and move away from the practices of being more like democrats, and instead start moving on principle again.
    I expect/hope that 2014 ends the conservative,tea bagger debates and that both factions become history book subjects

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I expect/hope that 2014 ends the conservative,tea bagger debates and that both factions become history book subjects
    No need for namecalling.

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The problem Zyph is that the ultra right-wing evangelical base of the party cares more about the social agenda than they do about anything else. They are killing the GOP from expanding outside the ultra-conservative base. Unless the GOP finds a way to neutralize them or cuts ties with them, the GOP cannot attract the moderates and independents necessary to win a national election.
    The irony is that it was Rove who brought the evangelicals into the GOP fold in order to win a couple election in the 90s and 2000s. Now they have doomed the party to marginal status with their weirdness.

    But I would note that fiscal conservatism is no less freaky -- the tea party are basically anti-modernists who want to destroy our modern economy based on some bizarre nostalgia for the Guilded Age, 6 day work weeks, child labor, and rivers that used to catch on fire with pollution. Fiscal conservatism, once analyzed, is as freakish as social conservatism.

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    Which alternatives?
    Romney, for one, was a far better alternative because he had business experience and had spent much of his career turning distressed companies around, and no one can make the claim that the US is not distressed.

    He also demonstrated as Governor that he could get spending under control and work with the opposition. He was obviously the intelligent choice but too many voters became side-tracked on non-issues or wanted to continue their dependence with the food stamp president. The mess he'll leave behind will take decades to repair.

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