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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Getting rid of the Teas would be a start. Let the Reps line up over that then go on from there
    Yes. I think the GOP has finally came to the stinging realization they need to distance themselves from the Tea Party mindset if they are to have any chance of survival in future elections. I do not suspect the pockets of the nation who elect these tea party officials, to accept that realization lightly. They are a very proud and determined bunch and they are convinced their positions are right and America should follow their lead. They may be a small bunch but they are a mighty bunch. I do not expect them to go down without a fight. The Tea Party is not large enough to form a party of their own so they have no choice but to camp with the GOP. The Tea Party segments of society are needed by the GOP to enable the GOP to have sufficient numbers to compete with the democrats so it's kind of give and take. They need each other.

    I think it will take a couple of election cycles before the GOP and the Tea Party will be able to come to terms and find a common platform that will be attractive enough to sway the majority of voters to come back.

    Or, The GOP can cut ties entirely and just rebuild. I think with the Christies, jingals, and Rubios', they got a pretty good line-up to build on. I think this would be their best move. Kick the TP to the curb.

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Yes. I think the GOP has finally came to the stinging realization they need to distance themselves from the Tea Party mindset if they are to have any chance of survival in future elections. I do not suspect the pockets of the nation who elect these tea party officials, to accept that realization lightly. They are a very proud and determined bunch and they are convinced their positions are right and America should follow their lead. They may be a small bunch but they are a mighty bunch. I do not expect them to go down without a fight. The Tea Party is not large enough to form a party of their own so they have no choice but to camp with the GOP. The Tea Party segments of society are needed by the GOP to enable the GOP to have sufficient numbers to compete with the democrats so it's kind of give and take. They need each other.

    I think it will take a couple of election cycles before the GOP and the Tea Party will be able to come to terms and find a common platform that will be attractive enough to sway the majority of voters to come back.

    Or, The GOP can cut ties entirely and just rebuild. I think with the Christies, jingals, and Rubios', they got a pretty good line-up to build on. I think this would be their best move. Kick the TP to the curb.
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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Yes, hence the foot note about it being the only viable third party, not her politics (please don't waste my time by trying to argue she had an actual chance at becoming POTUS). The same was true of Johnson, as well




    No, I just have no interest in belonging to a party that is having a serious debate on evolution.
    Well, if you are waiting for a purist that you can agree with totally, then you'd save the gas and stay home....I don't say that to be insulting, just the fact.
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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Or, The GOP can cut ties entirely and just rebuild. I think with the Christies, jingals, and Rubios', they got a pretty good line-up to build on. I think this would be their best move. Kick the TP to the curb.
    Huh? Jindal and Rubio are still there after you “kick the TP to the curb”? Did you actually buy Jindal decrying ‘dumbed-down conservatism’ as anything other than a blatantly hypocritical facade? Never mind his couple year past bumper sticker hate-on for public safety against natural disasters while Gov of the state hit by Katrina (volcano monitoring), even if you don’t live in LA it does not take much effort to see that even at this moment he is practicing exactly what he supposedly rails against with law and support for undermining science education, among other things.

    Truth is that any political strength he has flows from the same basic thing (if not a lot of the same people) that makes the TP tick, and that if he tried to materially change from that he’d be deadman walking in LA.

    Rubio, who owes the TP a lot for his Congress seat, is at least somewhat in the same boat. Thus his recent bizzaro evolution-creationism tap-dance
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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The U.S. will never have multiparty politics as long as plurality voting is the method we use in elections.

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    We need systemic overhal and I don't see that ever happening no matter how much of the public wants it. Policy change is incredibly hard as is, systemic change is 20 times harder.
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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if you are waiting for a purist that you can agree with totally, then you'd save the gas and stay home....I don't say that to be insulting, just the fact.
    1) nope. I'll continue voting as I see fit

    2) I'm not waiting for a purist, just someone that can reconcile their personal views with science.

    That isn't exactly unreasonable

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Getting rid of the Teas would be a start. Let the Reps line up over that then go on from there
    It depends on the Teas; they come in different flavors. I'm not a fan of the Coch-flavored tea. It leaves a bitter aftertaste then makes me want to click my heels and give a stiff arm salute. Local Teas are much nicer; who doesn't want our elected officials to pay more attention to our nation and their constituents instead of simply focusing on special interests? Who doesn't want our elected reps to be more responsible for their actions, especially when it comes to running our nation into debt or filling bills with pork?

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    I would hope this includes abortion even if limited.
    I seem to have stumbled onto a parallel universe here.

    The country is $16,000,000,000,000 in debt, unemployment remains consistently high, more people are on food stamps than ever before and there are still those who believe the issues are abortion and evolution??

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    We need systemic overhal and I don't see that ever happening no matter how much of the public wants it. Policy change is incredibly hard as is, systemic change is 20 times harder.
    Change will be impossible as long as the politicians can bribe the public with their own money.

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    Re: Republican Party seems as divided, angry as ever

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I remember the GOP was supposedly done for after the 2008 election, then came 2010. I also recall the Dems turning on their own after Scott Brown won. There is nothing new here. I understand why some hopes this signals the death of the GOP, but I wouldn't rent the hearse just yet.
    The difference in the 2010 election, in my opinion, is that the candidates were not running in 2010 on privatizing SS and Medicare as the tea party called on them to do after they gained some political influence in 2010. I predict the GOP will lose the House in 2014 if they stay with that extreme policy position, and this may be a valuable lesson for the GOP's future success.
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