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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Bet it doesn't happen. I think you're being hyperbolic.
    It's not going to happen; I agree. Why the article in the OP even had a paragraph that stated:
    Ernie Canadeo, president of EGC Group, a Melville-based advertising and marketing agency with 45 employees, planned to add 10 next year but now says he may add fewer so he's not subject to the mandate. Still, he says, he'll eventually have to hire more workers to grow. "If business demands that I hire, then I have to hire," he says.
    Business has always been business; those folks see money to be made, they are going to get that money; they just are not going to make a killing like they used to do. Just watch that profit margin quit being totally ridiculous.
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wouldn't a UHC program explicitly take the providing of Health care insurance away from business provided private sources, and shift it to a government provided entitlement?
    Yes, but businesses would not bear the weight of paying for those health care costs. Instead, various kinds of taxes would provide for them so the costs gets mutualized.

    And I think a major part of the tax revenue for a UHC system should come from a national sales tax.
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yes, but businesses would not bear the weight of paying for those health care costs. Instead, various kinds of taxes would provide for them so the costs gets mutualized.

    And I think a major part of the tax revenue for a UHC system should come from a national sales tax.
    Ok, it was a little confusing as to what you were saying as far as subsidies toward business if a UHC plan were forwarded. So, if I have this right, you are talking about a typical UHC system, and would raise taxes on everyone to cover that.
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, it was a little confusing as to what you were saying as far as subsidies toward business if a UHC plan were forwarded. So, if I have this right, you are talking about a typical UHC system, and would raise taxes on everyone to cover that.
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    It's not going to happen; I agree. Why the article in the OP even had a paragraph that stated:

    Business has always been business; those folks see money to be made, they are going to get that money; they just are not going to make a killing like they used to do. Just watch that profit margin quit being totally ridiculous.
    Well, so far I see purely from my own standpoint that things are getting worse in respect of health care, for instance, my own health insurance prescription program just changed as of the Jan. 1 to instead of being under CVS/caremark, is now pushed back into BC/BS's system where certain drugs that were covered before under caremark, are now no longer covered, or have to go through a board within BC/BS to approve them by using other drugs first. This is a problem, for some prescriptions my wife has been on for years. Also, the coverage's of these drugs now is now not at the rates they were before, I have to pay more, but my premiums stayed the same. And that is just one area of coverage.

    So, although I do not as a conservative agree with the whole government take over of any industry in the US, I fear that the plan put into place is now moving forward, and was always intended to push circumstance like this with an end goal of getting that take over anyway.
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We are well aware that you want the government to fully take over and run the Health Care system in the United States. But, as we see more and more of the ACA expose itself this year, can you lay out what would change from Obama's plan as it is now, to what you envision as a better system?
    You do realized that isn't what I said. The system I support is not the government taking over or running.

    Like I said, the public option is a better plan. Maybe go there. Our how about republicans actually come to the table intent to improve and not obstruct. Who knows, maybe they can come up with something new.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do realized that isn't what I said. The system I support is not the government taking over or running.

    Like I said, the public option is a better plan. Maybe go there. Our how about republicans actually come to the table intent to improve and not obstruct. Who knows, maybe they can come up with something new.

    Oh for Christ sake, just explain it Joe....We don't need the semantic argument...
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh for Christ sake, just explain it Joe....We don't need the semantic argument...
    J, there is no semantic argument there.

    1. You stated something accurate. Government does not run healthcare in a two tiered single payer system.

    2. I proposed a move back to the public option, but am open to other ideas.

    Neither has anything to do with semantics.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, there is no semantic argument there.

    1. You stated something accurate. Government does not run healthcare in a two tiered single payer system.

    2. I proposed a move back to the public option, but am open to other ideas.

    Neither has anything to do with semantics.
    Ok, well all I am asking is that you expand your thoughts on that more than the soundbites you offer all the time....For instance, what do you exactly mean by a "two tiered UHC system"? or what do you mean by a "public option"? Lay it out in clear language....Then we can proceed.
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, well all I am asking is that you expand your thoughts on that more than the soundbites you offer all the time....For instance, what do you exactly mean by a "two tiered UHC system"? or what do you mean by a "public option"? Lay it out in clear language....Then we can proceed.
    There would what would amount to government insurance, removing it from employment. It would operate like any insurance. Doctors don't work for the government. However, those who can pay more can buy more, both in terms of care and insurance. So not running anything, but making sure everyone has coverage.

    The public option merely allows people to that that option, paying a premium. It too is an insurance and in av running, but isn't mandated.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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