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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    It doesn't matter what the cause is. Healthcare is a huge burden on employers. If the rates go up because of a shortage of Band-Aids, it has the same effect on employment as the same raise in rates because of Obamacare.
    Employers will use any excuse they can get away with. However, if we were concerned about the effects of healthcare on business, we would remove it from employment and go with UHC.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Employers will use any excuse they can get away with. However, if we were concerned about the effects of healthcare on business, we would remove it from employment and go with UHC.
    I have no problem with a proper UHC system but I think you underestimate the role of investors not accepting excuses than companies making them.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

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    I have no problem with a proper UHC system but I think you underestimate the role of investors not accepting excuses than companies making them.
    Don't see much difference between the two. Both for get workers are a large part of a companies success or failure.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    employers are not health care providers. health insurance should be unlinked from specific employment as quickly as possible.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

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    Don't see much difference between the two. Both for get workers are a large part of a companies success or failure.
    because IMHO the demands of mutual funds (i.e. workers' retirement plans) and insurance companies on traded companies to create maximum revenue via dividends to have the cash to send out those checks is placing a burden on companies that discourages capital investments to create new jobs at least in the US. For instance, the mutual fund managers are not willing to wait 5 years for you to start realizing additional revenue streams on a new US factory because they have checks to mail out during that period and not everybody waits until retirement to dip into their retirement accounts for life's unexpected emergencies and transient wants; and insurance companies need cash to pay for the big dents in your $60K car. Wall Street IMO is raiding the equity we have so they sure as hell will not wait for new equity to be built, new jobs created, and reduced profits than if the company sent the job to a tin shed in China today.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    because IMHO the demands of mutual funds (i.e. workers' retirement plans) and insurance companies on traded companies to create maximum revenue via dividends to have the cash to send out those checks is placing a burden on companies that discourages capital investments to create new jobs at least in the US. For instance, the mutual fund managers are not willing to wait 5 years for you to start realizing additional revenue streams on a new US factory because they have checks to mail out during that period and not everybody waits until retirement to dip into their retirement accounts for life's unexpected emergencies and transient wants; and insurance companies need cash to pay for the big dents in your $60K car. Wall Street IMO is raiding the equity we have so they sure as hell will not wait for new equity to be built, new jobs created, and reduced profits than if the company sent the job to a tin shed in China today.
    My car cost 5k.

    Yes, we have some issues. And there is not much we can do to compete with that tin shed in China. As long as a company can pay someone overseas net to noting for no benefits, we can't appease the larger companies enough to stay here.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    employers are not health care providers. health insurance should be unlinked from specific employment as quickly as possible.
    Yes! A competitive market for individuals to shop and find the best policy that suits them.

    AKA, the antithesis of socialized medicine.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    Yes! A competitive market for individuals to shop and find the best policy that suits them.

    AKA, the antithesis of socialized medicine.
    And if we show we're willing to let some go untreated, even in an emergency, that is an option. Otherwise it is not.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Its always the same with you progressive Marxists

    Businesses have 'evil motives'. Everyone doesn't 'care' except Obama and the democrats. Obama's intentions are as pure as the wind driven snow or something

    Cult like behavior from worshipers. Not reasonable people. You've traded God for Obama and Big Government

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, a s they have been hiring less full time workers and hiring more art time workers since long befriend Obama, it will now be the fault of health care reform? I assume those who have owing this all along can e trusted to tell us this is he reason?

    Yeah,I'm convinced.
    No, weekly hours worked has been going up since the end of 2009. The idea that it has been going down since before Obama is false.

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