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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, there can be a national health care program but what they have done in the States is pass a bill that few have read, few understand and no one knows the consequences. That is just passing a health bill for the sake of passing a health bill. It's supporters haven't read it either but will defend it only because of their political ideology.

    There has been no debate and very little thought, put into the legislative process and that is not a good thing..
    So now that we've pointed out how reality completely refutes your nonsense claim about how 3rd party involvement always makes costs go up, instead of admitting you were wrong, you're going to pretend that the real problem is that no one has read the law?
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Whille I agree with you that Obamas' version leaves much to be desired, it is very similar to the system France uses, and their costs are far below what we have here in the US
    Finally we have someone who has read both the Obamacare act and the French Healthcare Act.

    Where do you find the similarities and where are the differences, the advantages and disadvantages?

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not convinced either way on that, but concede it might be for some items.
    That is largely how the Canadian system works, and is one of its strengths. The doctors are given quite wide latitude to work with their patients, although on the flip side the doctors maintain a strict medical board system and if you are not registered with that the government insurance does not recognize you as an MD.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Finally we have someone who has read both the Obamacare act and the French Healthcare Act.

    Where do you find the similarities and where are the differences, the advantages and disadvantages?
    I'll respond to your questions when you respond to the point I made about how every nation with UHC has lower costs than the US and how that blows your nonsense claim about 3rd parties out of the water
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If that we're the only factor, you may be right. But as they lose volume, demand becomes less, they have to pamper more, add in the unnecessary test, it is not sure that they will. History suggests we're not really savvy consumers. Especially when it comes to medicine. We love snake oil.
    Well it's not the only factor, of course, but one that should have been given some thought. If we can start from that premise then perhaps a more workable and less unwieldy and expensive solution looked at.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'll respond to your questions when you respond to the point I made about how every nation with UHC has lower costs than the US and how that blows your nonsense claim about 3rd parties out of the water
    Relax. I'm not interested in your response.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Relax. I'm not interested in your response.
    Sure! :rollseyes:

    You just asked because you didn't care
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, there can be a national health care program but what they have done in the States is pass a bill that few have read, few understand and no one knows the consequences. That is just passing a health bill for the sake of passing a health bill. It's supporters haven't read it either but will defend it only because of their political ideology.

    There has been no debate and very little thought, put into the legislative process and that is not a good thing..
    Of course. Obamacare is just plain awful. Here in Germany you can opt out of the public health care system, get a tax break, and take that money to go private. That way if you don't want to pay for anybody else, you don't have to, but don't come crying when the private insurance companies screw you over. Since I'm now a permanent resident here and enrolled in their health care system, I will stay on the public plan so that I can be covered for 100% of everything, and my rates won't skyrocket when I'm old.

    Would you be ok with a system like Germany where you could opt-out?
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Of course. Obamacare is just plain awful. Here in Germany you can opt out of the public health care system, get a tax break, and take that money to go private. That way if you don't want to pay for anybody else, you don't have to, but don't come crying when the private insurance companies screw you over. Since I'm now a permanent resident here and enrolled in their health care system, I will stay on the public plan so that I can be covered for 100% of everything, and my rates won't skyrocket when I'm old.

    Would you be ok with a system like Germany where you could opt-out?
    Yes, I would.

    I've spent a lot of the last 19 years in Costa Rica and they have both a private system and public. I've been in both.

    The public system treats the people like animals, eight to a room in the hospital I was in, with obviously poorly trained staff. I was able to get out of there and cross the street to a private clinic and everything was first class. Because I was not insured the rates for both were the same which was roughly $100 per day at that time. In the private hospital I had a large room to myself, a bed for overnight guests, a big screen TV, two nurses on call and doctors who were very professional. There was simply no comparison.

    I save money by not paying insurance for my employees because it is just too expensive for what you get, so i pay for the private healthcare instead whenever they need it, including the birth of my housekeepers son. They are treated first class. I have too much respect to put them in public care facilities.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Of course. Obamacare is just plain awful. Here in Germany you can opt out of the public health care system, get a tax break, and take that money to go private. That way if you don't want to pay for anybody else, you don't have to, but don't come crying when the private insurance companies screw you over. Since I'm now a permanent resident here and enrolled in their health care system, I will stay on the public plan so that I can be covered for 100% of everything, and my rates won't skyrocket when I'm old.

    Would you be ok with a system like Germany where you could opt-out?
    Same sort of thing in Britain, however most people opt out due to the S*** standard.
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