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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hey! If it sounds good, fair and logical then how could our wise gov't possibly
    screw it up? We have had a war on poverty, a war on drugs and a war on terror; each funded with trillions of tax dollars and they were all won! It seems a cinch that a gov't run UHC system would work nearly flawlessly and would save untold amounts of pain, suffering and money. Lets give our congress critters more "access" to our paychecks and see if it doesn't get much better right away! /s
    Lol...

    Liberals are known for that. Only their good intentions and nothing else should factor into the implementation of a destructive program.

    Not IF it fails but WHEN it fails, they'll just blame it on Bush.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol...

    Liberals are known for that. Only their good intentions and nothing else should factor into the implementation of a destructive program.

    Not IF it fails but WHEN it fails, they'll just blame it on Bush.
    They are already doing it. I read an enormous number of posts stating that, while flawed (not perfect?), the PPACA is a step in the right direction but should be replaced by, transformed into or amended to...
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wow....honestly dude, my brain doesn't function that way. I guess it’s from the last 3 decades of troubleshooting everything from industrial power quality problems to PCB boards and in between.
    Protip/PSA from an Electronic/Computer degree guy and one-time electrician: Use the insulated pliers next time. Seriously, those electric shocks will, and I guess have, messed up your cognitive wiring.
    We don’t have to wonder anymore, you realize that right ? You want to implement Single Payer do the math and then justify your assertion thats its feasible.
    There a number of different models around the world, with different minimum level of care, that showing single payer insurance and even full co-opting of the health care industry providing substantially better cost/benefit ratio than the US. *shrug*

    I personally do not think that Britain’s system, for example, is much of a match of the US. I do not think it plays to some serious strengths of this country, and is far to large a stretch philosophically. *shrug* But there are places and opportunities well this side of that.

    Now if you think so little of this country that you do not expect we could pull it off, that we are such a pile of f-ups that we cannot put together something that works? That we just could not get our act together enough to pull it off if we put our minds to it? Well, I suppose we do have Negative Nelly naysayers like you that could drag us down with self-fulfilling doomsaying. But on the balance I think better of this country than that.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hey! If it sounds good, fair and logical then
    how could our wise gov't possibly screw it up? We have had a war on poverty, a war on drugs and a war on terror; each funded with trillions of tax dollars and they were all won! It seems a cinch that a gov't run UHC system would work nearly flawlessly and would save untold amounts of pain, suffering and money. Lets give our congress critters more "access" to our paychecks and see if it doesn't get much better right away! /s
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    Protip/PSA from an Electronic/Computer degree guy and one-time electrician: Use the insulated pliers next time. Seriously, those electric shocks will, and I guess have, messed up your cognitive wiring.

    There a number of different models around the world, with different minimum level of care, that showing single payer insurance and even full co-opting of the health care industry providing substantially better cost/benefit ratio than the US. *shrug*

    I personally do not think that Britain’s system, for example, is much of a match of the US. I do not think it plays to some serious strengths of this country, and is far to large a stretch philosophically. *shrug* But there are places and opportunities well this side of that.

    Now if you think so little of this country that you do not expect we could pull it off, that we are such a pile of f-ups that we cannot put together something that works? That we just could not get our act together enough to pull it off if we put our minds to it? Well, I suppose we do have Negative Nelly naysayers like you that could drag us down with self-fulfilling doomsaying. But on the balance I think better of this country than that.
    Insulated pliers with low voltage manufactured DC waveforms ?

    Insulated pliers when trying to tune out PID loops in closed loop control applications or doing signal analysis on harmonic feedback ?

    Insulated pliers when injecting saw tooth wave forms into the base of a signal transistor or for saturating an isolation trsnsformer ?

    Me thinks you know not what your talking about but hey you were an "electrician"

    I've got respect for any working man but your average electricisn can barely. stumble through ohms law let alone set up the span adjustments on a nice tectronix o-scope.

    As for health care you were convinced by someone that Govt was the only answer.

    They misled you and for me to support any massive shift away from the private sector I need to see objective data, not Democrat lies ?

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Insulated pliers with low voltage manufactured DC waveforms ?

    Insulated pliers when trying to tune out PID loops in closed loop control applications or doing signal analysis on harmonic feedback ?

    Insulated pliers when injecting saw tooth wave forms into the base of a signal transistor or for saturating an isolation trsnsformer ?
    You said “industrial power quality problems”. That implies at least coming close to serious, cook-your-beans voltage+amps+Hz-that-like-flesh. I am just being nice trying to come up with some plausible excuse for your near illiteracy, such as…
    Me thinks you know not what your talking about but hey you were an “electrician”

    I’ve got respect for any working man but your average electricisn can barely. stumble through ohms law let alone set up the span adjustments on a nice tectronix o-scope.
    “Electronic/Computer degree guy”. Including process control systems at one point (petrochemical largely) but I moved more into software over time.
    As for health care you were convinced by someone that Govt was the only answer.
    I said no such thing, how ever I am convinced that:
    1) the US system as it is horribly inefficient, by comparison to what has been implement elsewhere
    2) that you are entirely off base in your assertions against a government option
    3) that, hope and wish as you might, any particular solution that is going to bring about significant improvement is going to require some sort of change in government
    They misled you and for me to support any massive shift away from the private sector I need to see objective data, not Democrat lies ?
    Umm, I already pointed you in the direction of models to study. Unless you are convinced that everything outside the US borders are “Democrat lies”? At which point I would need to leave you to your tin foil hat and cat herds…

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    They are already doing it. I read an enormous number of posts stating that, while flawed (not perfect?), the PPACA is a step in the right direction but should be replaced by, transformed into or amended to...
    Yes, it should be. The public option would be a serious improvement. And if we really want meaningful reform, UHC.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, it should be. The public option would be a serious improvement. And if we really want meaningful reform, UHC.
    "Meaningful reform" means more government involvement, I suppose.

    What could possibly go wrong there?

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "Meaningful reform" means more government involvement, I suppose.

    What could possibly go wrong there?
    It means actually having a system. I think I've mentioned many times what I favor.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It means actually having a system. I think I've mentioned many times what I favor.
    There has always been a "system", but it's a matter of having the best one.

    Americans will learn there lesson in a few years but by then it will be entrenched and impossible to change.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There has always been a "system", but it's a matter of having the best one.

    Americans will learn there lesson in a few years but by then it will be entrenched and impossible to change.
    No, it's pretty ad hoc here. Can you tell me, for example, if what is passed on from those who don't pay to those who pay is equal to what passing on actually costs providers?

    Americans have been for this lack of a system for a long, long time. Whatever follows won't be perfect, but you'd be hard pressed to do worse than we do in terms of cost and access.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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