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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    1. Prove this, as ZERO republicant votes were required for PPACA, and only then will I entertain your other fantasies. This is one thing that cannot be laid upon Bush or the republicants at all. I am tired of the "you just do not understand" defense of PPACA. I fully realize that many desired forms of UHC could exist and that PPACA is not one of them. To assert that PPACA does not alter what is "legal" for insurance (as of 2014) is a blatant lie, unless you count paying for both "current" insurance and a fine or tax as "reasonable".
    It's how it works. You need serious public support to pass something this huge absent the other party. Nor is anyone I know of blaming Bush.

    Now, two errors you make in your response:

    1. I did not say PPACA doesn't change insurance. It does set some standards, and make a change in preexisting conditions. it does not eliminate insurance. However, I didn't address PPACA at all. I said democrats couldn't pass UHC "realistically."

    2. BTW the bolded statements that you made are clearly proof that you have no clue what the PPACA law requires.
    2. Thye second was also not talking about PPACA. I clearly stated UHC as the topic and not PPACA.

    I mention this because something that doesn't address what I said can not really be handled in rebuttal. If you want to concede my point and change the subject, we can. But the switch must be clear.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    I just detest when people call this the public "option". It's as much an option as cutting your leg out of a bear trap to avoid death.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I just detest when people call this the public "option". It's as much an option as cutting your leg out of a bear trap to avoid death.
    1) What “this” are you referring to?
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's how it works. You need serious public support to pass something this huge absent the other party. Nor is anyone I know of blaming Bush.

    Now, two errors you make in your response:

    1. I did not say PPACA doesn't change insurance. It does set some standards, and make a change in preexisting conditions. it does not eliminate insurance. However, I didn't address PPACA at all. I said democrats couldn't pass UHC "realistically."



    2. Thye second was also not talking about PPACA. I clearly stated UHC as the topic and not PPACA.

    I mention this because something that doesn't address what I said can not really be handled in rebuttal. If you want to concede my point and change the subject, we can. But the switch must be clear.
    Considering the bolded, you are talking about a fantasy dream (theroy?) of yours, while I am talking about the law of the land, PPACA as passed by only demorats. To assert that PPACA was not advertised as a form of UHC is absurd, what else is a universal mandate for buying "gov't approved" medical care insurance? To ignore reality, the current PPACA law, and say that this thread "is really about some other UHC system" is changing the subject. Get real!
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Considering the bolded, you are talking about a fantasy dream (theroy?) of yours, while I am talking about the law of the land, PPACA as passed by only demorats. To assert that PPACA was not advertised as a form of UHC is absurd, what else is a universal mandate for buying "gov't approved" medical care insurance? To ignore reality, the current PPACA law, and say that this thread "is really about some other UHC system" is changing the subject. Get real!
    You brought up UHC, and I pointed out that you were wrong in your assumptions. PPACA is not UHC. Nor is it advertised as such. nor does it ration. Republicans and tea party folks calling it UHC is not equal to it being advertised as such. Kind of like when republicans call Obama "The One," that is not equal to any significant number of those voting for him seeing him that way. Not good to confuse the two.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    So make it a single payer system and be
    done with it that way no employer is invovled with the Healthcare part of it. Pretty simple !
    Yea simple.....

    Its the fundamental premise of every liberals decision making process. " Simple"..

    How exactly would we pay for it ?

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yea simple.....

    How exactly would we pay for it ?
    To be clear, I don’t think implementing it (or getting it even passed as law) would be ’simple’ and setting aside your BS “fundamental premise of every blah blah blah” assertion:

    For a replacement that gets the job done at less expense that want it is replacing, given the levying powers afforded a government, the issue of how to pay for the replacement system tends to provide the solution itself when approached with a clear, rational head, and without malice in heart, and with the understanding that eventually you pay to get that job done (or pay for it not getting done) one way or another.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You brought up UHC, and I pointed out that you were wrong in your assumptions. PPACA is not UHC. Nor is it advertised as such. nor does it ration. Republicans and tea party folks calling it UHC is not equal to it being advertised as such. Kind of like when republicans call Obama "The One," that is not equal to any significant number of those voting for him seeing him that way. Not good to confuse the two.
    PPACA is often said to grant "universal access to health care". I realize that is not absolutely equating PPACA and UHC, but far too often the words universal and PPACA appear in close proximity, this is no mere accident - the implication is quite clear.

    The primary aims of the PPACA are twofold: 1) to reign in the spiraling cost of health care and 2) to expand access to health care with the ultimate goal of achieving universal access (i.e., access that is not dependent on a person’s ability to buy health insurance or pay for medical services).
    Above quote taken from: Column - Access, affordability and health care reform - Opinion - The Daily Athenaeum - West Virginia University


    the existence of universal access to healthcare under the PPACA
    Above quote taken from: Risk & Insurance Online - What Impact Will PPACA Have on Workers' Compensation?

    PPACA achieve its central policy goal of universal access to health care
    Above quote taken from: Obama Wins: The Morning After–Prospects for the PPACA (aka Obamacare) | SpringBoard
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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yea simple.....

    Its the fundamental premise of every liberals decision making process. " Simple"..

    How exactly would we pay for it ?
    Hmmmm lets see we could have used the Bush Tax cuts, the two unpaid for wars, and the doughnut hole that were unpaid for to get it done! I find it funny that so called conservatives always want thing s paid for unless it a big corporate give away, a war, or something to do with God.

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    Re: Health care law may mean less hiring in 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yet, despite his support for it, you and others supported him. Don't you see the problem here?
    yeah, and you supported obama correct? Therefore you agree with everything he does, including the drone attacks ?? If not then I see the same problem with you

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