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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas View Post
    Hagel is a good choice. He was an infantrymen in Vietnam and he seems to understand the implication of sending people off to war.

    The only reason that people are really opposing his nomination is because he failed their litmus test for unconditional support for Israel. Believe it or not, the U.S. isn't supposed to be Israel's puppet.
    That is the only reason you chose to focus on. One can only wonder why. He was against the surge in Iraq that seemed to work, calling it the worst blunder in decades. When the current defense secretary said the sequester cuts would be very harmfil, Hagel disagreed and said the pentagon was bloated. Not sure that these are anti-Israel issues or as hagel ( and perhaps you) call the "Jewish Lobby".

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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas View Post
    Hagel is a good choice. He was an infantrymen in Vietnam and he seems to understand the implication of sending people off to war.

    The only reason that people are really opposing his nomination is because he failed their litmus test for unconditional support for Israel. Believe it or not, the U.S. isn't supposed to be Israel's puppet.
    Course there was his remarks over Syria, and Iran too. But then if Hagel wasn't worried about it.....then why is he calling Republican Senators to try and assure them of himself? As that was brought out by several Senators Aides.

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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Chuck Hagel as secretary of Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    No, it wouldn't. It would bolster them. Hagel would only bring the issue once more to the forefront, make the Republicans look like those who cannot support bi-partisanship, and the White House would pick another moment to play on divisions in the future (it's what I would do if I were him). You can't expect for the White House to deal with Hagel's hypothetical rebuttal to the President by saying, "well, damn..I guess we can't try to alienate moderate Republicans from the rest of the Party to get some legislation through...or trash the Party for being extreme." Hagel doesn't get the last word on the next four years.
    Well there is no getting around that the Republicans will need Moderates. But still they need to stop Obama from exploiting their divisions. Moreover now that Obama has got his victory lap. Time for reality to set in.....he has to work with Republicans. Which means telling all it is his way or the highway.....isn't going to work. Because we know we can turn that lame duck into a carrier pigeon. Which he wouldn't like!

    Still this pick and Lew, plus the Gun play shows the distraction from the real issue.

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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Chuck Hagel as secretary of Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well there is no getting around that the Republicans will need Moderates. But still they need to stop Obama from exploiting their divisions. Moreover now that Obama has got his victory lap. Time for reality to set in.....he has to work with Republicans. Which means telling all it is his way or the highway.....isn't going to work. Because we know we can turn that lame duck into a carrier pigeon. Which he wouldn't like!

    Still this pick and Lew, plus the Gun play shows the distraction from the real issue.
    The real issue is what? Budgetary concerns regarding social programs?

    I thought this was about Secretary of Defense, which is the real issue.
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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Chuck Hagel as secretary of Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The real issue is what? Budgetary concerns regarding social programs?

    I thought this was about Secretary of Defense, which is the real issue.
    I never said it wasn't a real issue. But we do know that most Presidents get to pick their own Cabinet members. Most are usually confirmed. So when I was speaking of Obama defecting with issues I was talking political strategy that was being implemented. Tho myself I would have thought just about any Neo-Con would know such.

    Myself I would think any that eases tensions with diplomatic relations would be the common sense call. Not someone that adds more fuel to the fire. But then again there is logic which should have dictated the course.

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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Chuck Hagel as secretary of Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah it's common sense to pick someone who also has some difficulties with Israel.
    I suspect AIPAC "convinced" Obama to nominate Hagel so that Netanyahu would have the leverage he needs to convince the Israeli public that the US will not attack Iran, and therefore, Netanyahu must do so.

    Meanwhile, Chuck Schumer is meeting with Hagel to demand that he grovel before Israel.

    As Chuck Schumer goes, so goes Chuck Hagel
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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Chuck Hagel as secretary of Defense

    Alan Hart is a British author and journalist with over 30 years experience reporting on the Mid East conflict and was the first Western journalist to arrive at the Suez with the advancing Israelis in the Six Day War.


    "As I write it looks as though the Zionist lobby realises that it overplayed its hand in smearing Chuck Hagel in the hope of causing President Obama to back off nominating him for the post defense secretary. The implication is not that the lobby’s stooges in the Senate will refrain from giving Hagel a hard time at his confirmation hearing, but that they will not risk, at least for a while, further public exposure as Israel Firsters by causing the nomination to be rejected ...

    "My guess is that Obama will content himself with the thought that Israel is becoming more and more of a pariah state because of its own actions and that Zionism is on the road to self-destruction ... In my view there is a very strong possibility, even a probability, that if a second-term President Obama did turn some real heat on Israel to back a demand that it end its defiance of international law and its occupation of the West Bank and its siege of the Gaza Strip, its leaders would say to him, “Go to hell!” There would also be a possibility that they would demonstrate their fury and teach him a lesson by creating some havoc in the region. What do I mean?

    "When President Carter worked with the Soviet Union to produce a joint superpower declaration of principles on the way to peace, all Arab governments and Arafat’s PLO agreed to co-operate, only Israel rejected this superpower initiative. Prime Minister Begin sent his foreign minister, General Moshe Dayan, to Washington for a conversation with Carter. Very shortly after it, the joint US-Soviet Declaration was torn up and replaced with a new memorandum of US-Israel understanding. What happened? Dayan said to Carter: “Mr. President, you must understand that my prime minister is mad. If you push him too far he could bomb the Arab oil wells.” (If Obama did put real pressure on Israel, it’s not impossible that Netanyahu would send his foreign minister to Washington to say to the president: “You must understand that my prime minister is crazy. If you push him too far he could bomb Iran.”)"

    A significant defeat for the Zionist lobby?
    We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

    Benjamin Netanyahu, as quoted in Ma'ariv, 16 April, 2008

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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Chuck Hagel as secretary of Defense

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    I suspect AIPAC "convinced" Obama to nominate Hagel so that Netanyahu would have the leverage he needs to convince the Israeli public that the US will not attack Iran, and therefore, Netanyahu must do so.

    Meanwhile, Chuck Schumer is meeting with Hagel to demand that he grovel before Israel.

    As Chuck Schumer goes, so goes Chuck Hagel
    Myself.....I believe the pick was made to play on the Divisions within the Republican Ranks. Specially between Neo-Cons and moderates. Moreover that Obama knows there are others more qualified for that position than Hagel is. Which has to do with Obama's agenda and nothing to with Netanyahu or if Israel goes after Iran. As Obama looks to his 2014 Elections.

    That this is more of Obama putting on the show with the bipartisan ship.....just like he did the first time round.

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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It isn't true... that's why.
    Not sure what he exactly said, but AIPEC always struck me as a pretty powerful lobby. But at the end of the day they are still just lobbyists, just ones that are extremely good at what they do

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    Re: Hagel for SOD

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    Not sure what he exactly said, but AIPEC always struck me as a pretty powerful lobby. But at the end of the day they are still just lobbyists, just ones that are extremely good at what they do
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