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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Chuck Hagel as secretary of Defense

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    This is fairly huge IMO.
    IMHO, not that huge. What is huge is the nomination of Brennan, who under George Bush, supported torture and wiretapping. As I have said all along, Obama is Bush on steroids, and half the crap he is doing to America is unconstitutional. But not a peep from the same Democrats who were extremely vocal during the Bush administration over the same crap. To me, THIS is what is huge, and defines hypocrisy. Their mantra is "It's OK to spy on Americans, and do all kinds of other BS, as long as it is MY political party doing it".
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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    Quote Originally Posted by shanners View Post
    They won't be happy but perhaps they feel they may have to give in on this one:
    If AIPAC is unhappy about Hagel, it can just order Congress to reject him.

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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    If the Republicans and Democrats alike hate him, then he must be doing something right. He's had some less-than-strong wording choices in his time (Jewish lobby and "openly, aggressively gay), but the man's as solid a choice as any. I wouldn't fault him for calling on Israel to negotiate with Palestine; they really do need to stop treating the Palestinians as second-class human beings, and I agree with his call for negotiations with Iran. I, personally, believe we will not deter an Iranian nuclear armament program by estranging them from the world; if Iran feels backed into a corner, as they have been by our sanctions and threats, they're more likely to engage in a brash action. By opening up diplomatic and cultural exchange, we'll show the Iranian people that America isn't an imperialistic "evil empire," and they'll be more likely to rise up against the government on their own.

    Additionally, the man is not only a veteran, but a war veteran and enlisted man; he, unlike former generals, will understand the needs of our soldiers and veterans. He's a solid choice, even though I disagree with his social policies; he's possibly the Secretary of Defense, not the Speaker of the House. His social policies don't matter.

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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Which seems like a bad thing to have in someone who will be advising the President on defense policy.
    They are decidedly good things to have in a candidate if you are interested in enacting overall policy that includes deficit reduction, and not pissing away this country’s wealth on unnecessary war.

    You have a job to do, which person are you going to put in place to get it down; “I see no way that can be done” or “I have a vision for how that can be accomplished”?
    We don’t need someone with partisan or personal politics in that position.
    For crying out loud he is a Republican, or is your dictionary at the cleaners? Further, you want someone without any opinion?
    Pulling someone from within the dept would have been a better choice.
    Because everyone in the DoD is a yes-man toady that has no opinion or “personal politics”?
    Last edited by Dwight; 01-07-13 at 06:00 PM.

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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    He's a solid choice, even though I disagree with his social policies; he's possibly the Secretary of Defense, not the Speaker of the House. His social policies don't matter.
    Given the current changes occurring with military rules regarding homosexuality, I do think the matter does have some relevance. But it isn’t like he is a card carrying member of the Westboro Baptist Church…or made those particular comments during this century. *shrug*

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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    They are decidedly good things to have in a candidate if you are interested in enacting overall policy that includes deficit reduction, and not pissing away this country’s wealth on unnecessary war.

    You have a job to do, which person are you going to put in place to get it down; “I see no way that can be done” or “I have a vision for how that can be accomplished”?

    For crying out loud he is a Republican, or is your dictionary at the cleaners? Further, you want someone without any opinion?

    Because everyone in the DoD is a yes-man toady that has no opinion or “personal politics”?
    I dont do split quotes.

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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont do split quotes.
    Congratulations!

    That and NOT posting nonsense will get you a cookie! Sadly, at this point you are going to have to go entirely cookie-less…for the reasons I clearly laid out above.

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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    He thinks poorly of war (due in large part to his personal experiences on the battlefield) and he thinks the Pentagon’s budget needs down-sizing.
    I think this may be one of the Pres Obama's best decisions. I fully support Hagel as the nominee for SecDef. That establishment neocons are opposing it so vehemently only furthers my support. I really hope he is voted in. I think it would be great for us. By us I mean servicemembers. The past 2 SecDef's we've had have been either a neocon themselves (Gates) or a wimp (Panetta). I will be writing a letter to my Senator urging him to vote in favor of Hagel.
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    Re: Hagel for SOD

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    Given the current changes occurring with military rules regarding homosexuality, I do think the matter does have some relevance. But it isn’t like he is a card carrying member of the Westboro Baptist Church…or made those particular comments during this century. *shrug*
    Yeah, his stance of homosexuality will have no effect on current policies. Can anyone really imagine a scenario where DADT or something even more strict is instituted? Me either.
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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Chuck Hagel as secretary of Defense

    I am not sure if there are better people for the job, but I have no problem with his nomination. SecDef's job is not to determine foreign policy, so most of that stuff in his record I could not care less about. I have always sided with the idea that unless some one is clearly unqualified, or has legal issues(see Geithner), then it is the presidents choice. Congress is there to protect against those 2 issues.
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