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Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

j-mac said:
I would say at this point, as backed up by Pinetta, (no conservative) would be defense.....We are in a time in the world that only a nation in decline would consider downgrading our defense.
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How big, compared to the collective armed militaries and clandestine militias in the world, should our military be?

How many times larger should our military be than Russia and China? 2X? 3? 5?

We are in total agreement that our defense is upmost importance. But the military industrial complex can only snowball beyond rediculousness if the hearts and minds let it. We were warned about that from Eisenhower, I believe.

The idea of streamlining, maximizing effiency and any dollar cutback on defense riles most all concerned citizens. Most all of us agree we need to be the strongest of the strongest. It is important that we maintain that desire all the while not letting our military spending go berserk simply because no one wants to be the first to point out that defense has many areas that can be saved in.

First, we could start NOT being the aggressor's in foreign soils for corporate interests. Imagine how much money that would save. If a penny saved is a penny earned, prudent foreign policy decisions might enable us to not have to cut defense a dime.

I think the US defense fat can be cut as any other fat. It should not be considered unpatriotic to say that. Some folks are afraid to say that.

Have a great day.
 
j-mac said:
Well, if you ask Panetta he says that he just went through cutting some $700 Billion from the budget, and is constantly looking for things he can cut out....But when you have the current SecDef appointed by a demo, and a demo himself saying that that's it, anymore will hurt readiness, I think you have to listen.
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I didn't know you were one to listen to Democrats so much.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Well how the hell can the media bury a censure?

I'm talking about House and Senate members (both state and federal) getting popped for simple crimes, DUI, disorderly conduct, assault etc..

If a republican gets a DUI its sensationalized and is front page news. If a democrat gets a DUI its buried. Sure both are reported but one (like I said) is sensationalized and the other is just a blurb.
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I find your theory to be incorrect or at least un-provable. Please provide genuine evidence that elected Democrats who are busted for DUI are "buried" and that it's a pattern not a one off thing.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Of course I understand. Progressives don't understand.

The progressive idea of the Fairness Doctrine is turn Fox News into MSNBC, then invite 10 progressives to bully a non-progressive on an op-ed program...

That's their idea of "fair."
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No, you do not understand what was the Fairness Doctrine. Simply, it called for EQUAL TIME being allotted to opposing points of view. I find it so "ironic" that you spew against MSNBC for being beyond partisan yet are blind to Fox News? I cannot take your posts as meaningful so long as you substitute partisan hyperbole rather than posting reasoned statements.
 
Mr.Nick said:
My point is media bias...

The simple fact "republican" was used in the headline was for no goddamn reason but to bash republicans.

Had the story involved a democrat it would have read: "DuPage County chairman Ramey apologizes for DUI stop - Chicago Tribune" or "Idaho senator charged with drunk driving - Chicago Tribune."

When democrats get charged with crimes and it makes the paper the headline DOES NOT mention their party affiliation - at least not in the MSM.
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This is untrue, period not to mention that a newspaper headline proves NOTHING. Anyone can find an equal number of headlines from other papers that prove the opposite of what you wrote, that the word Republican is not used in a headline but Democrat is.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Oh really? then what the hell are you attempting to do now? progressives are a bunch of Nazi's who believe they can ban whatever they don't like or tax the ideas or substances they don't like into oblivion.
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Wow, just WOW. My parents are holocaust survivors and my mother lost 95% of her relatives in concentration camps. Your use of "NAZI" is insulting, inaccurate and it again destroys any semblance of credibility that anyone could possibly attach to your arguments.
 
jakiejakester said:
Wow, just WOW. My parents are holocaust survivors and my mother lost 95% of her relatives in concentration camps. Your use of "NAZI" is insulting, inaccurate and it again destroys any semblance of credibility that anyone could possibly attach to your arguments.
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Are you new to the internet? That stuff is rampant, we had to make a rule/law.
 
Captain America said:
How big, compared to the collective armed militaries and clandestine militias in the world, should our military be?
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Our yardstick should not rely on what other countries do, or do not do in regards to their own military's....We asses our threats, and adjust our needs accordingly to meet them....That is the only consideration we should be concerned with...This constant drone of "oh, we spend more than ________" is just sophistry.
 
ecofarm said:
Are you new to the internet? That stuff is rampant, we had to make a rule/law.
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No, I am not "new" to the Internet LOL! I was simply pointing out the outrageous use of "Nazi" in that particular post.
 
jakiejakester said:
No, I am not "new" to the Internet LOL! I was simply pointing out the outrageous use of "Nazi" in that particular post.
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You're gonna be busy.
 
apologies if this was already posted in this thread, not taking time to read them all....

All politicians should be held to 2 terms, first term is in office, second term can be in office or in prison depending on how they do in the first term.
 
j-mac said:
Our yardstick should not rely on what other countries do, or do not do in regards to their own military's....We asses our threats, and adjust our needs accordingly to meet them....That is the only consideration we should be concerned with...This constant drone of "oh, we spend more than ________" is just sophistry.
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and yet, what other countries, particularly unfriendly countries, do determines just how big of a military we actually need.
 
UtahBill said:
apologies if this was already posted in this thread, not taking time to read them all....

All politicians should be held to 2 terms, first term is in office, second term can be in office or in prison depending on how they do in the first term.
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:lol: That's actually pretty funny....I got a chuckle from that one Bill....
 
Dittohead not! said:
and yet, what other countries, particularly unfriendly countries, do determines just how big of a military we actually need.
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Who cares what they do, as long as they don't threaten us, our allies, or our interests? They can all do themselves in short of that.
 
j-mac said:
Who cares what they do, as long as they don't threaten us, our allies, or our interests? They can all do themselves in short of that.
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I wasn't specific enough.

What unfriendly nations do to keep up their military strength is a consideration in how powerful our own military has to be.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I wasn't specific enough.

What unfriendly nations do to keep up their military strength is a consideration in how powerful our own military has to be.
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Yeah, so? The UN model of war always fighting to a stalemate is a miserable world.
 
j-mac said:
Yeah, so? The UN model of war always fighting to a stalemate is a miserable world.
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So, we're OK with a military that is twice as strong as our enemies. We don't need one that is six times as strong, that's just overkill.

We also don't need weapons that are powerful enough to wipe out the Soviet Union. We already won that war.

and modern warfare is more likely to involve small arms and surgical strikes than it is to involve sophisticated weaponry and large naval vessels, especially if we've finally learned our lesson about not attempting nation building projects.
 
PeteEU said:
So you want to put a large number of GOPers in jail? That is a first coming for you...
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Thete would be a bunch of Dems that would go with them.
 
danarhea said:
Actually, Republican voters didn't hold Delay to any kind of standard at all. In fact, until fairly recently, they fiercely defended him, calling the actions against him a witch hunt, and called Earl, the Austin prosecutor, a political hack who wanted Delay gone. You may want to try and rewrite history here, but history is what it is.... History, and no matter how hard you try and make it "disappear", it will still be here.
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That all may have been true. How much money and time were spent "getting" T. Delay?
 
ecofarm said:
You're gonna be busy.
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In this Forum or elsewhere? For within this Forum using a Nazi analogy to anything that's happening today inside either major party is absolutely ridiculous and has no basis in reality.
 
jakiejakester said:
In this Forum or elsewhere? For within this Forum using a Nazi analogy to anything that's happening today inside either major party is absolutely ridiculous and has no basis in reality.
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This is the best forum I've seen, but Nazi accusations are rampant on the internet. I've been accused on a few occasions! haha
 
ecofarm said:
This is the best forum I've seen, but Nazi accusations are rampant on the internet. I've been accused on a few occasions! haha
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Off this site is not what I was referring to I was speaking about inside Debate Politics. Calling Democrats or Republicans Nazis to is absurd. The use of it in this thread is a fine example of the absurdity that I am referring to.
 
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