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Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

I think liberals are smart--they work with the media to gain favorable coverage and appear more "mainstream" than conservatives.

You think Obama didn't actively work to exploit this system?

Why can't the Repubs put forth a candidate who can play the media the same way? Is Mitt Romney (fan of "sport") really the best conservatives can do?
 
I think that's what we've both been saying. Do you want to make it a threesome?

to an extent you are correct, you both have said that, and I agreed. It is the commentary that goes beyond that simple fact.
 
Unbelievable....Joe, I have to say my jaw is literally dropping as I read this sophistry....

Did you really accuse me of partisanship, yet not see that your own answers are purely partisan?

Did you really try and make this about your hurt feelings over Iraq and say that we aren't nation building under Obama? What in the hell are we even in Afghanistan at this point for then?

Did you really say that Obama handled Sandy well? Watch this...



Did you really say that BP didn't measure up in terms of crisis handling?

Did you really say Bush did things that warranted the media scrutiny, but Obama has not?

What world do you live in?



Continuing Bush's nation building in Afghanistan, a nation Obama said he would focus on and many like myself agreed with(remember Bush let it deteriorate there), is not the same as creating the problem.

And no, I said Obama's vacations didn't warrant the same attention as Bush's did. Keep within the context of your own question. Obama as warranted and received media attention. He has merely not made as many bonehead mistakes as Bush.

And yes, he handled Sandy well. Compared to Katrina, he was master class.
 
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Continuing Bush's nation building in Afghanistan, a nation Obama said he would focus on and many like myself agreed with(remember Bush let it deteriorate there), is not the same as creating the problem.

And no, I said Obama's vacations didn't warrant the same attention as Bush's did. Keep within the context of your own question. Obama as warranted and received media attention. He has merely not made as many bonehead mistakes as Bush.

And yes, he handled Sandy well. Compared to Katrina, he was master class.

Are you completely unaware of your own bias? Honestly, I just see you excusing everything Obama does while condemning everything Bush did.
 
Are you completely unaware of your own bias? Honestly, I just see you excusing everything Obama does while condemning everything Bush did.

No. I'm answering the question posed. I have made no excuses for Obama. None. I don't blame the media, or a republican conspiracy, or Glenn Beck. The things Obama has done poorly, he did them poorly.
 
No. I'm answering the question posed. I have made no excuses for Obama. None. I don't blame the media, or a republican conspiracy, or Glenn Beck. The things Obama has done poorly, he did them poorly.

But it's always just worse when a Republican does them. Lol.
 
But it's always just worse when a Republican does them. Lol.

No, Bush, one republican, was worse. Nixon was worse than Kennedy as well. And Bush sr was really pretty good. But the point here is blaming the media is making excuses.
 
No, Bush, one republican, was worse. Nixon was worse than Kennedy as well. And Bush sr was really pretty good. But the point here is blaming the media is making excuses.

Yet you can't bring yourself to find an instance where a Democrat is actually worse, can you? Just own your bias is all I'm saying. Don't rationalize it away by saying it really is just worse when the other guy does/says it.

Oh, and TPD, I know what you're going to say to this so, y'know, there's really no need.
 
Continuing Bush's nation building in Afghanistan, a nation Obama said he would focus on and many like myself agreed with(remember Bush let it deteriorate there), is not the same as creating the problem.

However, although Obama tried to place more attention on Afghanistan with his surge, he even screwed that up, not listening to what the Generals on the ground saying they needed, and reducing those numbers, directly resulting in more deaths in Afghanistan under Obama's term than Bush had in Iraq....Where is your damned body count on that one Joe?

And no, I said Obama's vacations didn't warrant the same attention as Bush's did.

No, you're right. They warrant MORE attention....They certainly cost more, and there are more of them.

Keep within the context of your own question. Obama as warranted and received media attention. He has merely not made as many bonehead mistakes as Bush.

Oh, I am within my own context, it is you making excuses for "the One".....

And yes, he handled Sandy well. Compared to Katrina, he was master class.

Master Class liar.....I have family that lost everything from the Rockaway's....They haven't received anything other than $1500. emergency housing stipend....That is since it happened how many months ago? You don't know what you are talking about. Did you even watch the interview with McGrath? He disagrees with you.
 
Yet you can't bring yourself to find an instance where a Democrat is actually worse, can you? Just own your bias is all I'm saying. Don't rationalize it away by saying it really is just worse when the other guy does/says it.

Oh, and TPD, I know what you're going to say to this so, y'know, there's really no need.

I have you and j for that. Frankly, no president, not even Nixon, bothered me as much as Bush. Has nothing to do with him being a republican.
 
However, although Obama tried to place more attention on Afghanistan with his surge, he even screwed that up, not listening to what the Generals on the ground saying they needed, and reducing those numbers, directly resulting in more deaths in Afghanistan under Obama's term than Bush had in Iraq....Where is your damned body count on that one Joe?



No, you're right. They warrant MORE attention....They certainly cost more, and there are more of them.



Oh, I am within my own context, it is you making excuses for "the One".....



Master Class liar.....I have family that lost everything from the Rockaway's....They haven't received anything other than $1500. emergency housing stipend....That is since it happened how many months ago? You don't know what you are talking about. Did you even watch the interview with McGrath? He disagrees with you.

I've had disagreements with Obama concerning Afghanistan (the surge, drone attacks, and rendition), but his generals did claim that even if they got all they wanted, he surge could fail. So, that always has to be considered.

And, no, your context is about the difference and not Obama's overall record. You limited it to vacations, but quickly moved away, leaving the context you set up.

Yes, every disaster has had people lose things and have to wait way too long. Nothing new there. But we're so eking of a comparison with Katrina, which had UHC larger problems than that.
 
Well don't you think Republicans should hold themselves to a higher standard than democrats? Isn't that kind of a good thing?

Says a member of the party that has no standard at all.
 
I've had disagreements with Obama concerning Afghanistan (the surge, drone attacks, and rendition), but his generals did claim that even if they got all they wanted, he surge could fail. So, that always has to be considered.

And, no, your context is about the difference and not Obama's overall record. You limited it to vacations, but quickly moved away, leaving the context you set up.

Yes, every disaster has had people lose things and have to wait way too long. Nothing new there. But we're so eking of a comparison with Katrina, which had UHC larger problems than that.


More excuses.....*Yawn*
 
Meaning you concede the point, lacking any coherent rebuttal. :coffeepap

Not at all, but I am trying to watch the Vikings/Packers at the same time so my attention is split...Here, I'll put it in a nutshell for you, if you would answer a couple of questions....K?

1. Is there anything you think Obama has done worse than Bush?

2. Is there anything you think would get you to change your mind on question 1?
 
About ****ing time. With regards to justice, Tom sure as hell lived up to his last
name.

Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

Former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, once considered among the nation's most powerful and feared lawmakers, was sentenced to three years in prison Monday for a scheme to influence elections that already cost him his job, leadership post and millions of dollars in legal fees. The sentence comes after a jury in November convicted DeLay, a Houston-area Republican, on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering for using a political action committee to illegally send corporate donations to Texas House candidates in 2002. Prosecutors said DeLay will likely be free for months or even years as his appeal makes it through the Texas court system.​

The whole thing is exactly what Dave Chappele exemplified in this bit called "Tron Carter's Law & Order". Two different justice system's indeed.

Sounds about right. As the Current administration gets away with dumping billions into a set up "green energy " corporations AND dumping billions from the stimulus into Public Sector Unions so it could be transfered back to Democrat re-election campaigns AND Obama lying about some video being the cause of the murder of our Diplomat TEN days after the fact YOU clowns focus on some long gone ex-politician.

Yep, your really setting the standards for law abiding politicians.
 
Not at all, but I am trying to watch the Vikings/Packers at the same time so my attention is split...Here, I'll put it in a nutshell for you, if you would answer a couple of questions....K?

1. Is there anything you think Obama has done worse than Bush?

2. Is there anything you think would get you to change your mind on question 1?

So am I.

1. No, but that's not saying much. I will say this, for a short time Bush was very good after 9/11. Then he lost his mind.

2. Don't know. It would to be specific on a specific issue, but I'm always open to new information and/or a well reasoned argument.

However, our original issue was the press and you asked a question concerning a vacationing president. Not overall performance. You left that question rather quickly.
 
Sounds about right. As the Current administration gets away with dumping billions into a set up "green energy " corporations AND dumping billions from the stimulus into Public Sector Unions so it could be transfered back to Democrat re-election campaigns AND Obama lying about some video being the cause of the murder of our Diplomat TEN days after the fact YOU clowns focus on some long gone ex-politician.

Yep, your really setting the standards for law abiding politicians.

What... an... off-topic... DODGE!

We all thank you for your non-input on the topic.
 
Vikings looked horrible tonight....disappointing.




:lamo Ok then....Thanks for the honesty if even a little...That's all I need...:lol:

The Vikes do miss Ponder.

You've always been reluctant to digest full and complete answers. I've always found that odd.
 
What... an... off-topic... DODGE!

not at all. Those who abused their position for power and money in the past go to jail, and that's good. Let us hope that those who are currently doing so see the same effects. Equality before the law.
 
not at all. Those who abused their position for power and money in the past go to jail, and that's good. Let us hope that those who are currently doing so see the same effects. Equality before the law.

We sure don't hear the Libbos crying about money that is laudered through labor unions.
 
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