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    Re: Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well now, hold on a minute....If the thing he was convicted of was legal at the point in time that it occurred, but then years later charges brought, and conviction rendered on something that wasn't illegal at the time it happened, then something is terribly wrong here.
    That's called ex post facto, and it is unconstitutional. If that is indeed what happened to Delay, then his lawyers should have no trouble getting the conviction overturned.

    ex post facto adj. Latin for "after the fact," which refers to laws adopted after an act is committed making it illegal although it was legal when done, or increases the penalty for a crime after it is committed. Such laws are specifically prohibited by the U. S. Constitution, Article I, Section 9.
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    Re: Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's called ex post facto, and it is unconstitutional. If that is indeed what happened to Delay, then his lawyers should have no trouble getting the conviction overturned.
    As it is, it is questionable whether or not that is what happened. It is likely closer to say that it became clearer in the text in later law that what he was doing was illegal but that is not by itself ex post facto. Dancing on the edge of legality, well over the morality line, is a dangerous business. So it is not a slam dunk but he may still get away with it.

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    Re: Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're the fellow calling Obama "The One," and not me. he's no different than any other politician. He was merely the better option.

    Now, read the word "fought." It is different than fighting.
    I see. You so easily slip from present to past and past to present. Today's policy decision says we can fight one war. Maybe.

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    Re: Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I see. You so easily slip from present to past and past to present. Today's policy decision says we can fight one war. Maybe.
    I don't believe that's true at all.

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    Re: Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't believe that's true at all.
    Well, I tend to hear the murmers of policy changes well before the rest of the public does. The military is being reduced in size. You are a fair guy. You can look at the proposed force structures and see for yourself that we will not have the ability to fight in two theaters. I leave that as an exercise for you to perform at your leisure.

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    Re: Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Well, I tend to hear the murmers of policy changes well before the rest of the public does. The military is being reduced in size. You are a fair guy. You can look at the proposed force structures and see for yourself that we will not have the ability to fight in two theaters. I leave that as an exercise for you to perform at your leisure.
    You are quite right. The military must be reduced. We can no longer spend more than the top 13 nations combined. We simply can't afford it.
    I look forward to the time when we are fighting in ZERO theaters. So should we all.


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    Re: Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You are quite right. The military must be reduced. We can no longer spend more than the top 13 nations combined. We simply can't afford it.
    I look forward to the time when we are fighting in ZERO theaters. So should we all.

    One can never tell about charts like this. I am automatically suspisious when I see that Ezra Klein, that super patriot, has his fingerprints on it.

    We do not have a draft. Are you proposing that we return to a draft? That would dramatically reduce our costs.

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    Re: Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    One can never tell about charts like this. I am automatically suspisious when I see that Ezra Klein, that super patriot, has his fingerprints on it.

    We do not have a draft. Are you proposing that we return to a draft? That would dramatically reduce our costs.
    I think a draft that includes all of Congress's eligible chidren or grandchildren would be a fine idea. But only if they vote for another war.

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    Re: Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I think a draft that includes all of Congress's eligible chidren or grandchildren would be a fine idea. But only if they vote for another war.
    I served my twenty years. So it works for me if it works for you.

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    Re: Tom DeLay Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Well, I tend to hear the murmers of policy changes well before the rest of the public does. The military is being reduced in size. You are a fair guy. You can look at the proposed force structures and see for yourself that we will not have the ability to fight in two theaters. I leave that as an exercise for you to perform at your leisure.
    We have the ability to change on a dime. And frankly,. Silliness like the last two wars need to be avoided. But if something happened and we really needed to, we'd be up and running in more than enough time.

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