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    All I can say is THANK GOD! Obama's EPA got slapped down in this attempt to call water a pollutant. His EPA is completely out of control and this latest attempt to get even more power was a bridge too far.

    "Virginia officials scored a key victory Thursday in their battle with the Environmental Protection Agency over what EPA critics describe as a land takeover.
    U.S. District Judge Liam O'Grady in Alexandria ruled late Thursday that the EPA exceeded its authority by attempting to regulate stormwater runoff into a Fairfax County creek as a pollutant. O'Grady sided with the Virginia Department of Transportation and the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, which challenged EPA's stormwater restrictions
    "Stormwater runoff is not a pollutant, so EPA is not authorized to regulate it," O'Grady said.
    Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli says the ruling could ultimately save Virginia taxpayers more than $300 million


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    Re: Federal judge rules EPA overstepped authority trying to regulate water as polluta

    I agree with the ruling, but these dramatics about Obama are just silly. This isn't a "power grab" its about two different opinions on what a pollutant is and is not, I can understand the argument for stormwater being considered a pollutent because it can alter and change an enviroment if there's simply way too much of it. But its a natural change not like if you dumped a galleon of gasoline into a creek.

    But again, this isn't a "power grab" no one is power hungry to control stormwater.

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    Well, if the EPA were allowed to hold this position, then they would be able to regulate everything that is contaminated by a toxin so it makes sense. Ken Cuccinelli is a pretty straight shooter when it comes to legal analysis and he is smart as a whip. I would not be surprised to see him as the GOP nominee or VP nominee in the not so distant future.

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    Re: Federal judge rules EPA overstepped authority trying to regulate water as polluta

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    All I can say is THANK GOD! Obama's EPA got slapped down in this attempt to call water a pollutant. His EPA is completely out of control and this latest attempt to get even more power was a bridge too far.

    "Virginia officials scored a key victory Thursday in their battle with the Environmental Protection Agency over what EPA critics describe as a land takeover.
    U.S. District Judge Liam O'Grady in Alexandria ruled late Thursday that the EPA exceeded its authority by attempting to regulate stormwater runoff into a Fairfax County creek as a pollutant. O'Grady sided with the Virginia Department of Transportation and the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, which challenged EPA's stormwater restrictions
    "Stormwater runoff is not a pollutant, so EPA is not authorized to regulate it," O'Grady said.
    Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli says the ruling could ultimately save Virginia taxpayers more than $300 million


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    When your mission is total control of all human activity, that may affect the planet in any way, then classifying H2O and CO2 as environmental pollutants is sound science indeed.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Federal judge rules EPA overstepped authority trying to regulate water as polluta

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    When your mission is total control of all human activity, that may affect the planet in any way, then classifying H2O and CO2 as environmental pollutants is sound science indeed.
    I think its safe to say that a pollutant is anything that greatly disturbs the life and structure of an ecosystem, and oil spill is an obvious example. H2O and CO2 could be pollutants depending on what affect they have on the enviroment, but if its natural like storm water I don't see the need to regulate it as a normal course of action.

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    Re: Federal judge rules EPA overstepped authority trying to regulate water as polluta

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I think its safe to say that a pollutant is anything that greatly disturbs the life and structure of an ecosystem, and oil spill is an obvious example. H2O and CO2 could be pollutants depending on what affect they have on the enviroment, but if its natural like storm water I don't see the need to regulate it as a normal course of action.
    According to that theory air is a pollutant on a windy day and a hurricane or a tornado would have to be declared illegal and somebody would be fined or imprisoned. God maybe?

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    Re: Federal judge rules EPA overstepped authority trying to regulate water as polluta

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I think its safe to say that a pollutant is anything that greatly disturbs the life and structure of an ecosystem, and oil spill is an obvious example. H2O and CO2 could be pollutants depending on what affect they have on the enviroment, but if its natural like storm water I don't see the need to regulate it as a normal course of action.
    While I think it is overreaching, I do think we need to consider adding storm water semi-processing into our new infrastructure projects in major urban areas. You cannot completely filter it or it becomes disruptive to ecosystems the other way being too clean, but we do need to find a balance, just not at the receiving end of the EPA double-barrel shotgun.

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    Re: Federal judge rules EPA overstepped authority trying to regulate water as polluta

    be interesting to see how this works out, thinking there will be an appeal.

    Here in Oklahoma we use lakes for drinking water. Someone's drinking water is downstream of someone else's street run-off. Even though it is against the law many use the street drains as oil dumps. Throw in the high level of herbicide/pesticide/fertilizer used to keep suburban lawns so pretty and the threat to streams ans creeks is very real.

    I wouldn't mind a system where storm run-off to filtered because I don't need any of that in my creek.

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    Re: Federal judge rules EPA overstepped authority trying to regulate water as polluta

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I think its safe to say that a pollutant is anything that greatly disturbs the life and structure of an ecosystem, and oil spill is an obvious example. H2O and CO2 could be pollutants depending on what affect they have on the enviroment, but if its natural like storm water I don't see the need to regulate it as a normal course of action.
    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    According to that theory air is a pollutant on a windy day and a hurricane or a tornado would have to be declared illegal and somebody would be fined or imprisoned. God maybe?
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    Re: Federal judge rules EPA overstepped authority trying to regulate water as polluta

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    be interesting to see how this works out, thinking there will be an appeal.

    Here in Oklahoma we use lakes for drinking water. Someone's drinking water is downstream of someone else's street run-off. Even though it is against the law many use the street drains as oil dumps. Throw in the high level of herbicide/pesticide/fertilizer used to keep suburban lawns so pretty and the threat to streams ans creeks is very real.

    I wouldn't mind a system where storm run-off to filtered because I don't need any of that in my creek.

    LOL!

    And if the wind were filtered we'd have cleaner air to breathe too. So the government ought to require that.

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