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    Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns - The Washington Post

    The men are the latest example of how the Obama administration has embraced rendition — the practice of holding and interrogating terrorism suspects in other countries without due process — despite widespread condemnation of the tactic in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

    Renditions are taking on renewed significance because the administration and Congress have not reached agreement on a consistent legal pathway for apprehending terrorism suspects overseas and bringing them to justice.
    The Administration has resisted putting any more terrorists in Gitmo, so the alternatives become killing them outright, as in drone attacks, or rendition. Congress has resisted the administration's plan to detain these people in civilian jails and prisons and try them in civilian courts. There is no Senator who welcomes such prisoners in his or her state's courts and prisons.

    The other aspect of this particular case is the fact that the three men in question have never had anything to do with the US and were not planning to come to the US or attack the US. They are being prosecuted under a doctrine of universal jurisdiction -- the idea that the US can prosecute criminals that commit crimes anywhere in the world even if they have nothing to do with the US.

    Article One of the Constitution allows for prosecution of criminals anywhere in the world who commit crimes recognized as "offenses against the law of nations." What these men are alleged to have done does not fall into that rubric. They were merely participating in a foreign civil war.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    So... you conservative lot are now against renditions but under Bush you were for them?

    And for the record... I passionately believe it is a crime what the US is doing and have been doing. Obama and his administration should be ashamed .. but then again they are just using the tools that the Bush administration put in place.
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Well, I'm still against them.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Obama is W 2.0. Always has been.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So... you conservative lot are now against renditions but under Bush you were for them?

    And for the record... I passionately believe it is a crime what the US is doing and have been doing. Obama and his administration should be ashamed .. but then again they are just using the tools that the Bush administration put in place.
    You = Hypocrite

    Even though Obama is doing it, in your infantile irrational mind you still blame Bush

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So... you conservative lot are now against renditions but under Bush you were for them?
    Merely pointing out the hypocrisy that occurs whenever liberal ideals meet real world conditions...
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Merely pointing out the hypocrisy that occurs whenever liberal ideals meet real world conditions...
    Hardly. But it is wrong no matter who is doing it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So... you conservative lot are now against renditions but under Bush you were for them?

    And for the record... I passionately believe it is a crime what the US is doing and have been doing. Obama and his administration should be ashamed .. but then again they are just using the tools that the Bush administration put in place.
    BS alert. Obama is now doing what is practical, a key difference between campaigning (pretending?) and governing (action?). What you intentionally fail to see is reality, but as president, Obama must actually face reality. The politician Obama panders to all things popular with his voting base, but the governing version of Obama must git-r-done and allows those actually placed in charge to employ the methods that get positive results. Attempting to use "blame Bush" is a major fail on this issue, but I suppose that is how Obamatrons justify all actions under his command that violate his campaign "promises".
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    What I want to know is when we decided that terrorists were supervillains that can't be trusted to our normal justice system. When they talked about 9/11 trials for Al-Qaeda members being held in New York, people freaked out. We can't have the trial in Manhattan! Why the **** not? These guys are backwater murdering assholes with rifles and crappy homemade bombs, not Lex Luthor. A robot army is not going to crash through the wall in the middle of a trial and free them. There's Ocean's Eleven plan to bust them out of prison.

    So why can't we put them on trial and toss them in prison alongside every other murderer? They don't deserve special treatment. Treating them specially just gives the impression that they are special.
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Bill Clinton practiced rendition, so did Dubya, and so does Barack. Just goes to show that they all have the same values--no respect for the law, and no respect for human dignity, donkeys or elephants.

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