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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Here's your misreading j. I'm having a conversation as to why Obama isn't treated completely like Bush. I didn't bring up Bush, as you indicate (a misreading on your part), but merely answer the question to explain the differences. Nothing is being shifted. Nor is any excuse being made as I have noted that I believe Obama is wrong, should not still be continuing with rendition.

    So you see, your response is not directed at the actual conversation, but what I can best term a misreading.

    Ok, thank you. That I don't have a response for because I didn't read anything before the post I responded to, and I was mistaken in doing such.
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

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    "We hold these truths to be self-evident..."

    It's nice to hear you admit that you believe there are people who have no rights, though.
    Ah, so you haven't read the GC.
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    Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Ah, so you haven't read the GC.
    If they aren't POW's then the GC doesn't apply. However then they should be subject to the civilian legal system and under that they do have some rights afforded to them under the constitution.

    What we have now is a sham. People who are treated as POWs for the purpose of a detention and trial because it is convenient for the government but are not afforded the rights of POWs because they aren't really POWs yet they are also not afforded the rights civilians are under the constitution because they're being held by the military.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    If they aren't POW's then the GC doesn't apply. However then they should be subject to the civilian legal system and under that they do have some rights afforded to them under the constitution.
    Not at all. They are illegal combatants, and the GC allows summary execution for them. Although there is no reason they cannot be questioned first...
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Not at all. They are illegal combatants, and the GC allows summary execution for them. Although there is no reason they cannot be questioned first...
    No, that doesn't quite cover it. We're not really at war with any nation. Hence, such a reading would not apply.

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    Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Not at all. They are illegal combatants, and the GC allows summary execution for them. Although there is no reason they cannot be questioned first...
    Illegal combatants implies the existence of legal ones which requires a state of war to exist.
    Failing that they are at worst simply criminal suspects.
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    I oppose torture, murder (AKA extrajudicial killings), renditions and imprisonment without legitimate due process per the Constitution or Geneva conventions whether its a Democrat or Republican doing it. I felt forced to vote for Obama anyways, because there was no reason to think that Romney would end these practices, and good reason to believe he would expand them.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I oppose torture, murder (AKA extrajudicial killings), renditions and imprisonment without legitimate due process per the Constitution or Geneva conventions whether its a Democrat or Republican doing it. I felt forced to vote for Obama anyways, because there was no reason to think that Romney would end these practices, and good reason to believe he would expand them.
    However, Obama has continued them....So you based your vote on what you thought Romney may or may not have done, but you have a person that you voted for that has continued what you don't like and you voted for him anyway....Sorry, that is kind of messed up.
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I oppose torture, murder (AKA extrajudicial killings), renditions and imprisonment without legitimate due process per the Constitution or Geneva conventions whether its a Democrat or Republican doing it. I felt forced to vote for Obama anyways, because there was no reason to think that Romney would end these practices, and good reason to believe he would expand them.
    Maybe you should have voted for Gary Johnson. He's against the War On Terror and its torture and rendition.

    You would still have voted for a loser, but at least you would not feel guilty about it.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    However, Obama has continued them....So you based your vote on what you thought Romney may or may not have done, but you have a person that you voted for that has continued what you don't like and you voted for him anyway....Sorry, that is kind of messed up.
    Romney made clear he support all of Obama's foreign policies. So, another issue had to divide them.

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