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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    In my book, if one does not punish criminal behavior when one is in a position to do so, with a presumed obligation to do so, then one condones and enables such behavior. Now maybe I'm just a bit strange in holding to that position....
    You should fit right into this administration, then. Have you applied for a position with the ATF yet, so you can condone and enable criminal behavior?
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    In order to understand that statement Grant, you must understand that for decades, or perhaps longer, the Church (the Pope is its head) has not punished pedophiles and sexual predators. Indeed, some have been promoted, while others are simply moved to other locations within the church.

    In my book, if one does not punish criminal behavior when one is in a position to do so, with a presumed obligation to do so, then one condones and enables such behavior. Now maybe I'm just a bit strange in holding to that position....
    You said the Pope condones such behavior and that is completely false, untrue and a lie.

    These sorts of lies are not all that strange though, if you mean uncommon. In fact lying is far too common, on these boards and elsewhere. You should find a new book.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do Christians in this country demand that you either convert to Christianity, pay a tax, or be killed?
    Not since the 1930s in Spain, but in what country today is this practiced by any religion? Even Iran and Saudi Arabia donīt do this.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Not since the 1930s in Spain, but in what country today is this practiced by any religion? Even Iran and Saudi Arabia donīt do this.

    I am not saying that any government per se is practicing these tenants of Islam.....Yet....But, clearly with Aminajihad speaking of a Caliphate, and the radical factions of the religion that are at war/jihad with the Christian west, it is a concern.

    To deny that this doesn't exist in the writings of the Islamic holy books is to place ones head in the sand.
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You said the Pope condones such behavior and that is completely false, untrue and a lie.

    These sorts of lies are not all that strange though, if you mean uncommon. In fact lying is far too common, on these boards and elsewhere. You should find a new book.
    You wish it were that simple and sweet, but it's not.

    If a man is aware of criminal behavior, immoral behavior, amongst his underlings, does he have an obligation to punish or at least end said behavior?

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am not saying that any government per se is practicing these tenants of Islam.....Yet....But, clearly with Aminajihad speaking of a Caliphate, and the radical factions of the religion that are at war/jihad with the Christian west, it is a concern.

    To deny that this doesn't exist in the writings of the Islamic holy books is to place ones head in the sand.
    Well that would depend which Caliphate you where talking about, neither the Moors nor the Ottomans forcibly converted anyone as a matter of state policy. Also see

    Constitution of Medina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You said the Pope condones such behavior and that is completely false, untrue and a lie.

    These sorts of lies are not all that strange though, if you mean uncommon. In fact lying is far too common, on these boards and elsewhere. You should find a new book.
    Actually there may be some truth to that, just look at Democracy Now!. The movie Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence In The House of God "uncovers documents from secret Vatican archives that portray the Pope as both responsible and helpless in the face of this abuse." Alex Gibney, director of the film stated that

    I think one of the most interesting things about Pope Benedict, the current pope—and there’s a lot about both him and the previous pope, John Paul, in this film—one of the most interesting things about him was, before he was pope, he was Cardinal Ratzinger, and he ran what was called the Congregation [for] the Doctrine [of] the Faith, formerly known as the Inquisition. After 2001, Cardinal Ratzinger got all sex abuse cases sent to his office. So Cardinal Ratzinger actually knows more about clerical sex abuse than any human being on the planet. And then he became pope. But it was while he was Cardinal Ratzinger that the case of Murphy was brought to the Congregation [for] the Doctrine of the Faith.

    Interestingly enough, you know, instead of moving quickly to defrock him, they took pity on the priest himself, who wrote a very poignant letter saying, "Look, I’m an old guy now. This was so long ago. I’m so sorry. Please let me die as a priest." And that is the wish that was granted by the Vatican. And so there was no justice for the deaf victims.

    So, there is some truth to the fact that the Pope does have knowledge that sexual abuse did occur.
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well that would depend which Caliphate you where talking about, neither the Moors nor the Ottomans forcibly converted anyone as a matter of state policy. Also see

    Constitution of Medina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I prefer to stick to the here and now if you don't mind...You want to defend Islamic Jihadist killing of today by comparing it to Christian crusades of hundreds of years ago...Sorry dude, that doesn't even make sense to do that....Try again.
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    You wish it were that simple and sweet, but it's not.

    If a man is aware of criminal behavior, immoral behavior, amongst his underlings, does he have an obligation to punish or at least end said behavior?
    Show me where the Pope did as you accused.

    And I apologize for suggesting you were a liar. It was uncalled for.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Actually there may be some truth to that, just look at Democracy Now!. The movie Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence In The House of God "uncovers documents from secret Vatican archives that portray the Pope as both responsible and helpless in the face of this abuse." Alex Gibney, director of the film stated that

    I think one of the most interesting things about Pope Benedict, the current pope—and there’s a lot about both him and the previous pope, John Paul, in this film—one of the most interesting things about him was, before he was pope, he was Cardinal Ratzinger, and he ran what was called the Congregation [for] the Doctrine [of] the Faith, formerly known as the Inquisition. After 2001, Cardinal Ratzinger got all sex abuse cases sent to his office. So Cardinal Ratzinger actually knows more about clerical sex abuse than any human being on the planet. And then he became pope. But it was while he was Cardinal Ratzinger that the case of Murphy was brought to the Congregation [for] the Doctrine of the Faith.

    Interestingly enough, you know, instead of moving quickly to defrock him, they took pity on the priest himself, who wrote a very poignant letter saying, "Look, I’m an old guy now. This was so long ago. I’m so sorry. Please let me die as a priest." And that is the wish that was granted by the Vatican. And so there was no justice for the deaf victims.

    So, there is some truth to the fact that the Pope does have knowledge that sexual abuse did occur.
    I don't look to movies for history. I thought only Europeans did that.

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