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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    al Qaeda has certainly lost. It's really not arguable. They lost basically a decade ago and have just been dick slapped every time they've tried to stand back up since.
    They are actually growing in Iraq, Libya and Syria and of course the Muslim Brotherhood has taken over Egypt. The Taliban is also poised to take over as soon as the US pulls out.

    While the formalities of war are quite important to many in the Democracies, Islamists just wait and wear down their enemies. The west, in many ways. has not changed their strategies much since WWII.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    If you try any of these $$sholes in Mainland US of A, they will be found not guilty because any evidence gained by torture is inadmissable. That is why they are being tried by Military Tribunals. The Tribunals leave the outcome without doubt, which should give pause to those who believe in "liberty and justice" for all. Two different justices. In the Military Tribunal, even newspaper articles are designated "classified" and cannot be submitted as evidence. Why don't our Media sycophants initiate a hue and cry aboout this failed justice system?
    Recall when there was a 'hue and cry' about Gitmo? At that time it was predicted that because of all the international fuss regarding the rights of terrorists fewer Islamists would be taken to Gitmo but would just be killed in a field somewhere. They were just not worth the bad publicity they received by going the traditional way.

    This is the same situation. Rather than have huge trials where the terrorists will be given every benefit of the doubt they will be offed somewhere else. It is the right thing to do.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Recall when there was a 'hue and cry' about Gitmo? At that time it was predicted that because of all the international fuss regarding the rights of terrorists fewer Islamists would be taken to Gitmo but would just be killed in a field somewhere. They were just not worth the bad publicity they received by going the traditional way.

    This is the same situation. Rather than have huge trials where the terrorists will be given every benefit of the doubt they will be offed somewhere else. It is the right thing to do.
    I'm not defending the terrorists. I'm stating, unambiguosly, that the Military Tribunals are pre-arranged frauds and that the Major Media should publicize that fact. Otherwise, maybe one of these days you or yours will be tried by a military Tribunal. "Liberty and Justice for all."

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Recall when there was a 'hue and cry' about Gitmo? At that time it was predicted that because of all the international fuss regarding the rights of terrorists fewer Islamists would be taken to Gitmo but would just be killed in a field somewhere. They were just not worth the bad publicity they received by going the traditional way.

    This is the same situation. Rather than have huge trials where the terrorists will be given every benefit of the doubt they will be offed somewhere else. It is the right thing to do.
    You start with the assumption that everyone held is a terrorist. What if that assumption is false? Due process is largely in place to pretext the wrongly accused. We do know we have gotten it wrong. Does that matter to you?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I'm not defending the terrorists. I'm stating, unambiguosly, that the Military Tribunals are pre-arranged frauds and that the Major Media should publicize that fact. Otherwise, maybe one of these days you or yours will be tried by a military Tribunal. "Liberty and Justice for all."
    Well the good news is that the military are now eliminating these "pre-arranged frauds" and killing terrorists where they stand.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You start with the assumption that everyone held is a terrorist. What if that assumption is false? Due process is largely in place to pretext the wrongly accused. We do know we have gotten it wrong. Does that matter to you?
    We may have gotten it wrong in many wars, but war is Hell. We didn't arrest Japanese or the Nazis on the battlefield to bring them for trial, why should it be different for other enemy combatants?

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You start with the assumption that everyone held is a terrorist. What if that assumption is false? Due process is largely in place to pretext the wrongly accused. We do know we have gotten it wrong. Does that matter to you?
    They look shifty with their 5 o’clock shadows and beady, dark eyes. They follow his G-d but with quite similar but not the same ideas (their differences from each other does not much matter), and they use a different book to do it. That makes them all evil!

    Duh.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We may have gotten it wrong in many wars, but war is Hell. We didn't arrest Japanese or the Nazis on the battlefield to bring them for trial, why should it be different for other enemy combatants?
    Those were nations, and. As such, not comparable. They largely also didn't face a never ending war. But two things:

    1. Not everyone we have was captured on a"battlefield."

    2. We did things wrong from time to time during WWII. Being done doesn't wrong right.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Those were nations, and. As such, not comparable. They largely also didn't face a never ending war. But two things:

    1. Not everyone we have was captured on a"battlefield."

    2. We did things wrong from time to time during WWII. Being done doesn't wrong right.
    When its one side against the other nationhood becomes less important.

    A battlefield can be anyplace where there is a confrontation between a terrorist and a member of the allied forces. It doesn't necessary have to take place on a field.

    We did the main thing right in WWII. We won. That is always and forever the goal.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    When its one side against the other nationhood becomes less important.

    A battlefield can be anyplace where there is a confrontation between a terrorist and a member of the allied forces. It doesn't necessary have to take place on a field.

    We did the main thing right in WWII. We won. That is always and forever the goal.
    It's about what it is or not. We can have a war against organized crime, but that doesn't mean we should follow the rules of traditional war without admitting differences.

    And because we won doesn't make wrongs right, or tell us if we could have still won without doing wrong.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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