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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Bush sent 200,000 troops on a wild goose chase in hell. Over 4000 of them died, more than in 911.
    And over 150,000 Iraqis died also. What exactly was their crime again?
    That why Bush can't travel to many countries. They want to try him for "bloody murder".
    Do you mean to say that since Bush did these things it's OK for Obama to do the same sort of thing? If so, then I agree. But let us please try to be consistent.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Do you think that's why drone strikes occur? What in the ****?
    I'll bite. What's your explanation?

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It certainly allows the President to use all force as he feels is necessary.
    The contention has to do with International law.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I'll bite. What's your explanation?
    There's nothing to bite on. Drone strikes are the alternative to raids, which would result in more deaths on both sides. They have nothing to do with rendition.
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    It is true that we are not engaged in a war against a recognized government, which would require a declaration of war. We are employing our military forces to find and kill those who have committed heinous crimes against our people. I suggest you read The Savage Wars Of Peace by Max Boot to improve your historical perspective on this type of action.
    The Global War On Terror is based upon a huge and magnificent deception. For some number of years I too was deceived, but no more.

    You are still deceived, 11 years later. I would be embarrassed if that were the case for me.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Isn't the War on terror already a war on Al Qaeda? And of course George Bush said in his New York speech much of the war would be done surreptitiously.

    It seems that the US, under this administration anyway, is not doing much to win the hearts and minds of terrorists. The Taliban will naturally re-assume power in Afghanistan, the Islamists are taking over the Middle East, and major parts of Asia and Africa. Under Obama the US is only on the retreat.
    The war on terrorism is a catch phrase. And once one is a terrorist, its not their mind we need to win, but those who have not yet decided to be our enemies. And groups like the Taliban, who are locally orientated, are not our problem. We interfere without just cause all too often in the affairs of other countries. The point is, invading Afghanistan and nation building accomplished nothing. There was really never a chance it would. Pakistan is our Ally, and they are more of a threat. We can't win this by invading countries.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No. the objectives were completely different, as was the culture, religion, history and geography.

    You actually have no idea, do you?
    I have a very good idea. Yes, the religion is different, but both functioned around religion (or more used religion to address more secular problems). Yes, the geography is different, but geography plays no real role. Not for our part. The point is they stopped building up the opposition, giving them PR, helping them create the impression they were the evil doers. They worked behind the scenes, making deals, gathering allies. There is nothing preventing us from doing the same type of thing.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    There's nothing to bite on. Drone strikes are the alternative to raids, which would result in more deaths on both sides. They have nothing to do with rendition.
    I am sensitive to the fact that the use of drones saves American lives, but raids don't necessarily result in a lot of people being killed. How many were killed in the raid on Bin Laden, for example. And you have the potential of having someone to interrogate, but they'd have to go to rendition, as I understand it, since they aren't accepting new guests at Gitmo.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The war on terrorism is a catch phrase. And once one is a terrorist, its not their mind we need to win, but those who have not yet decided to be our enemies. And groups like the Taliban, who are locally orientated, are not our problem. We interfere without just cause all too often in the affairs of other countries. The point is, invading Afghanistan and nation building accomplished nothing. There was really never a chance it would. Pakistan is our Ally, and they are more of a threat. We can't win this by invading countries.
    Exactly. But US interference is not limitted to using our military force; propping up moronic regimes as we now do in Pakistan and Egypt simply based on using "it could get worse", as an excuse, is insane. This is precisely why Iran seeks to get nukes, then they will get foreign aid instead of sanctions. Paying folks to "make nice" (only to us) is what makes many overseas hate the USA. They see their thug run, corrupt gov't getting rich via US foreign aid while they get nothing but grief from that gov't. You can often get a good clue as to the true character of another based upon the company that they keep.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Exactly. But US interference is not limitted to using our military force; propping up moronic regimes as we now do in Pakistan and Egypt simply based on using "it could get worse", as an excuse, is insane. This is precisely why Iran seeks to get nukes, then they will get foreign aid instead of sanctions. Paying folks to "make nice" (only to us) is what makes many overseas hate the USA. They see their thug run, corrupt gov't getting rich via US foreign aid while they get nothing but grief from that gov't. You can often get a good clue as to the true character of another based upon the company that they keep.
    You know, we may have agreement.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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