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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Go after actual terrorist. You might review what happen with Ireland and the British after the British learned their overt force lesson.
    They were local, not international, and confined largely to one area.

    It seems you haven't given this mush thought.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who would you have declared war against?
    Al Qeada. Quietly. Hit them before they know we've woken up. Build coalitions quietly. Squeeze them with new partnerships. Minimalize their appeal by making a better argument.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They were local, not international, and confined largely to one area.

    It seems you haven't given this mush thought.
    Same process could have been adopted and modified.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If you don't know who killed most of the Iraqis, and why the war took so long, just say so.
    The war took so long because we had no clue what we were getting into. "Democracy is messy" is not a plan.
    The Iraqi's killed each other because we had no plan or means to control them. We killed Iraqi's because they were trying to kill us for invading their country.
    All that died are on our ticket. We invaded them for no reason.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Al Qeada. Quietly. Hit them before they know we've woken up. Build coalitions quietly. Squeeze them with new partnerships. Minimalize their appeal by making a better argument.
    Isn't the War on terror already a war on Al Qaeda? And of course George Bush said in his New York speech much of the war would be done surreptitiously.

    It seems that the US, under this administration anyway, is not doing much to win the hearts and minds of terrorists. The Taliban will naturally re-assume power in Afghanistan, the Islamists are taking over the Middle East, and major parts of Asia and Africa. Under Obama the US is only on the retreat.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The war took so long because we had no clue what we were getting into. "Democracy is messy" is not a plan.
    Whoever claimed that "Democracy is messy" is a plan? Are you just making things up as you go along?

    The Iraqi's killed each other because we had no plan or means to control them.
    The islamists wanted power, not democracy, and fought against it. Naturally they will now take power there.

    We killed Iraqi's because they were trying to kill us for invading their country.
    Really? Who told you that?
    All that died are on our ticket. We invaded them for no reason.
    Amazing! You have been wrong in every response.

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Same process could have been adopted and modified.
    No. the objectives were completely different, as was the culture, religion, history and geography.

    You actually have no idea, do you?

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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The islamists wanted power, not democracy, and fought against it. Naturally they will now take power there.
    Ah... yeah some to be sure.

    But this shows you just how little you actually know about Islam, the middle east and the Iraq conflict.

    Much like Yugoslavia under Tito, Iraq had different sects in the country that hated each other to a deadly extent, but Saddam kept them in check with a brutal regime...

    Now I'm not saying they were good leaders but when their iron fist was taken away, the Sunni's went after the Shias and vice versa and that's what cost so many lives in the same way the Serbs went after the Muslims etc.

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    Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Isn't the War on terror already a war on Al Qaeda? And of course George Bush said in his New York speech much of the war would be done surreptitiously.

    It seems that the US, under this administration anyway, is not doing much to win the hearts and minds of terrorists. The Taliban will naturally re-assume power in Afghanistan, the Islamists are taking over the Middle East, and major parts of Asia and Africa. Under Obama the US is only on the retreat.
    No. Much of it was apparently against Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11 and arguably made this country less safe.
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    Re: Renditions continue under Obama, despite due-process concerns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Whoever claimed that "Democracy is messy" is a plan? Are you just making things up as you go along?



    The islamists wanted power, not democracy, and fought against it. Naturally they will now take power there.



    Really? Who told you that?


    Amazing! You have been wrong in every response.
    Not as wrong as Cheney when he claimed we would be "greeted as liberators". That was rich
    It was Rummy who coined that phrase "Democracy is messy" when asked why looters were destroying ancient 3000 year old artifacts along with everything else that wasn't tied down while we sat by and watched.
    The Iraqi's got their "democracy" and voted for a Shiite theocracy allied with our worst enemy Iran. Democracy is messy alright.

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