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When the numbers get that high percentages go down even when spending soars


In Obamas 2010 budget,( BO's first)spending was $3.46 trillion. In 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion. the 2009 budget is the Bush budget, with spending going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion.

CBO | The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2012 to 2022
 
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How is going deeper in debt going to help? That's an expense that will have to paid also.

And calling L-obama a 'boy' is an accurate description. Since a man lives up to their responsibilities and L-obama doesn't. Whether I look like a racist is irrelevant since i only look that way to brain-dead L-obama sycophants.

Don't kid yourself, you look that way to anybody with a functioning brain.
Dont' take my word about the debt ceiling either. Try not paying your bills for a few months and see how much that helps your finances.
I mean it, put your family where your mouth is or STFU
 
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At least something was done, big whoop! I think it may only be conspiracy theory, but the republican shelving of Sandy aid is repugnant and possibly retaliation for the overwhelming support for President Obama by the northeast, even Governor Cristie's appreciation for the president's prompt response. This story the storyline of republicans placing their peculiar ideology ahead of the service they were elected to perform as the major responsibility of their jobs namely to look out for and provide for the general welfare of we the people is really evident.

That **** started in the Senate and the biggest hypocrite in the Senate is roy blunt(not capped on purpose).That ****ing hypocrite is a Senator from Missouri. his district includes Joplin...he was lining up at the federal tit to get all the aid he could get when a tornado leveled that town.now he votes against aid to our NE section... ****ING HYPOCRITE.:2mad:
 
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At least something was done, big whoop! I think it may only be conspiracy theory, but the republican shelving of Sandy aid is repugnant and possibly retaliation for the overwhelming support for President Obama by the northeast, even Governor Cristie's appreciation for the president's prompt response. This story the storyline of republicans placing their peculiar ideology ahead of the service they were elected to perform as the major responsibility of their jobs namely to look out for and provide for the general welfare of we the people is really evident.

Actually that was a totally responsible act. They are responsible for the General Welfare of the NATION, not the citizenry. Unfortunately those naive morons did not make that sufficiently clear to the imbeciles and brain-dead liberals who currently populate the overwhelming super-majority of this nation these days. Governor Christie should have been run out of office the moment he accepted the least bit of Federal Aid for what is a STATE PROBLEM.
 
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Like i have said in other post we can give up our job as the worlds police force;at least until we get our own house in order, by closing a few unneeded overseas bases.

That would be a good start, as well as getting the other democracies to contribute more.
 
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What ever happened to growing the economy and lowering unemployment? That is the ONLY way out of debt. No amount of cuts will fix it untill we are back on our feet.

How can you possibly get back on your feet by continually borrowing money, spending money, creating new disincentives for business and refusing to present or balance budgets?
 
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Actually that was a totally responsible act. They are responsible for the General Welfare of the NATION, not the citizenry. Unfortunately those naive morons did not make that sufficiently clear to the imbeciles and brain-dead liberals who currently populate the overwhelming super-majority of this nation these days. Governor Christie should have been run out of office the moment he accepted the least bit of Federal Aid for what is a STATE PROBLEM.

Silly me. i always thought that New York and New Jersey were part of our NATION.:roll:
 
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Silly me. i always thought that New York and New Jersey were part of our NATION.:roll:

The GENERAL WELFARE of the NATION. That means, if it isn't in the best interst of ALL Americans (not just some group of Americans), it isn't an appropriate use of power. Just as there should have been no monies for Hurricane Katrina, the earthquakes in California, the Mississippi River floods, etc....
 
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The GENERAL WELFARE of the NATION. That means, if it isn't in the best interst of ALL Americans (not just some group of Americans), it isn't an appropriate use of power. Just as there should have been no monies for Hurricane Katrina, the earthquakes in California, the Mississippi River floods, etc....

I would think that states that put MORE into our treasury(tax money)than they gain is pretty good for our NATION.
 
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In Obamas 2010 budget,( BO's first)spending was $3.46 trillion. In 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion. the 2009 budget is the Bush budget, with spending going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion.

CBO | The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2012 to 2022
The part you are missing is that the 2009 budget included TARP. Which we were sold as a "one time expense". Funny how that one time expense managed to dig it's way into the baseline that has been used every year since.
 
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I would think that states that put MORE into our treasury(tax money)than they gain is pretty good for our NATION.

Obviously you and I see the "general welfare" clause VERY differently. Considering that, there's really no point in continuing that conversation with you. Have a very nice afternoon, sir.
 
Keynesian economics rocks:rock.

In your head, yes. In actuallity it doesn't work.

It's one of those concepts that only work in a vacuum or the isolated hypotheticals of a University classroom.

In the real world where our economy is global and any borrowed money redistributed just gets sent to China because we have almost no manufacturing base its a joke and doesn't work.

Am I to understand that its archaic beginings are lost on you completly ?
 
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I'll add my 2c for what it's worth. The reason that Obama didn't add any “spending-related savings“ to the fiscal cliff negotiations (other than he didn't have to) was he wanted to keep his powder dry for the negotiations that follows.The debt limit hostage taking.

The Obamaphones are who is holding the country hostage
 
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Obviously you and I see the "general welfare" clause VERY differently. Considering that, there's really no point in continuing that conversation with you. Have a very nice afternoon, sir.

Yea like the Founding Fathers envisioned a massive Marxist welfare state or something

Logic and Progressives don't mix. It's like oil and water.
 
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Do you really only see hypocrisy from one side and not all sides? Or do you see it, but it isn't laughable from your side?

No! I do not but when someone has the nerve to say "Obama wants total control of the debt ceiling" Without even acknowledging the fact that this was a Republican idea is flat out insanity. I see hypocracy from both sides. However, over the last couple of years it has been Republicans with the most egg on their face. For many years I watched Republicans not give a damn about the debt problem. Only when then they went out of power did the radicals come out of the wood work on fiscal and social issues. Then on top of that they sign a pledge to a non elected person on taxes? The republicans hand in the dept problem is fact but those that created the problem not only get a pass but are praised? Tell me how anyone with any amount of rationality cannot see the hypocrisy in that. I find a majority of the Republican party flat discusting.
 
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The GENERAL WELFARE of the NATION. That means, if it isn't in the best interst of ALL Americans (not just some group of Americans), it isn't an appropriate use of power. Just as there should have been no monies for Hurricane Katrina, the earthquakes in California, the Mississippi River floods, etc....

Or even a FEMA
 
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No! I do not but when someone has the nerve to say "Obama wants total control of the debt ceiling" Without even acknowledging the fact that this was a Republican idea is flat out insanity. I see hypocracy from both sides. However, over the last couple of years it has been Republicans with the most egg on their face. For many years I watched Republicans not give a damn about the debt problem. Only when then they went out of power did the radicals come out of the wood work on fiscal and social issues. Then on top of that they sign a pledge to a non elected person on taxes? The republicans hand in the dept problem is fact but those that created the problem not only get a pass but are praised? Tell me how anyone with any amount of rationality cannot see the hypocrisy in that. I find a majority of the Republican party flat discusting.

You say that because one person tried a political stunt that it was an entire party's idea? You can make up a hodge podge of opinions based upon what single individuals say. We know you consider the Republican party is discusting(sic), you post it every chance you get. Try having a conversation instead of a soliloquy. If all you see is us and them, I think you find your "us" group to be smaller and smaller.
 
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Yea like the Founding Fathers envisioned a massive Marxist welfare state or something

Logic and Progressives don't mix. It's like oil and water.

Just as the feds abused the Commerce Clause in order to gain more power in Washington (and remove it from the States), so will a pliant Congress " pass the bill so you can find out what's in it" and have a President rule by executive order and secret czars working in back rooms, like elves in Santa's workshop, creating ever more laws, rules and regulations wherein Washington, and the presidency, gain ever greater power.

While the Democrats may like the idea that their man has much greater power than his predecessors and can govern without much opposition, it also sets the stage for any President down the road to create greater power for himself.

Like Egypt, the American people will eventually be voting in their own dictator.
 
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Just as the feds abused the Commerce Clause in order to gain more power in Washington (and remove it from the States), so will a pliant Congress " pass the bill so you can find out what's in it" and have a President rule by executive order and secret czars working in back rooms, like elves in Santa's workshop, creating ever more laws, rules and regulations wherein Washington, and the presidency, gain ever greater power.

While the Democrats may like the idea that their man has much greater power than his predecessors and can govern without much opposition, it also sets the stage for any President down the road to create greater power for himself.

Like Egypt, the American people will eventually be voting in their own dictator.

They just did lol.
 
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I would have preferred we went over the cliff, and without any fancy smoke and mirrors maneuvering in early January to back-ass our way back up to the edge.

That way the citizen outrage would perhaps compel the fat cats in Washington to address the real foundational problem: in/off- shoring of our jobs to wage-slaves, out/in- sourcing of all types, both legal and illegal.

Scores of millions of American citizens are still greatly suffering in the wake of The Great Recession, 43% according to last summer's figure, with 47 million Americans on food stamps, including a true unemployment rate of around 14% nationally, with demographic pockets of unemployment still as high as 25%!

All this is caused by "The Global Economy" (read: wage-slave workers in a borderless countryless power structure run by comglomerates), whereby third-world poverty is imported to America, and the only way to extricate ourselves from this global nightmare for American citizens is to face the reality of our state of emergency crisis and address it directly.

Now that the Washington fat cats and their lobbyists live to do nothing another year, they won't be motivated to support we the people .. and too many Americans, grown complacent through apathy, will also just breathe a sigh of relief that their taxes only went up 2% (the ending of the two-year-old Social Security Payroll tax reduction), and they'll just hunker down .. and keep struggling .. while the increased income tax on corporations and private citizens with money sufficient to hire simply now won't hire .. and we wait for things to deteriorate.

Because we didn't go over the cliff, we continue to be the frog in the pan of water with the heat slowly being turned up .. and eventually we will be cooked, before we notice.

Had we gone over the cliff, it would be like suddenly turning the fire up to a boil, and then we'd know right away that it was time to do something, like jump out of this foundational mess!

Washington is simply loaded with cowards, both left and right, who continue to sacrifice the livelihoods and the very life-long careers of their constituents, just so they can "look good", they hope, to keep their short-term temporary job.

And all of America inches more dangerously over a nationally deadly precipice.
 
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Anyone else notice they used this opportunity to delay some of the system wrecking provisions of Obamacare until it's too late to even consider repealing the whole pig? Here's one such.
 
No! I do not but when someone has the nerve to say "Obama wants total
control of the debt ceiling" Without even acknowledging the fact that this was a Republican idea is flat out insanity. I see hypocracy from both sides. However, over the last couple of years it has been Republicans with the most egg on their face. For many years I watched Republicans not give a damn about the debt problem. Only when then they went out of power did the radicals come out of the wood work on fiscal and social issues. Then on top of that they sign a pledge to a non elected person on taxes? The republicans hand in the dept problem is fact but those that created the problem not only get a pass but are praised? Tell me how anyone with any amount of rationality cannot see the hypocrisy in that. I find a majority of the Republican party flat discusting.

Your pereptions are based on ignorance and in a time where information is available at your fingertips.

There's no excuse for it or for your subjective criticism of one side over the debt.

We're currently borrowing most of our money from our own central bank as Obama and his useful idiots try and spend their way out of recession while putting a bulls eye on investors and Corporations.

Every aspect of our economy that could provide for real growth, more employment, more money for thr middle class families is being either ignored or specifically targeted by your President.

And its effects are unarguable, glaring and expected as our labor force shrinks, our GDP remains stagnant and you blame the Repubs.

You think we're "discusting " ? Its a badge of honor.

Ill tell you what, if you change that avatar and NEVER put it up again, I'll agree with you on something eventually.
 
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Military spending, except for veterans services and retirement pay, is 14% of federal spending, while the deficit is 38% (at least), so cutting that alone is, just like taxing "the rich" a bit more, simply a scam to make some morons see something as evil and wrong, yet allow the borrow and spend machine to remain largely intact. The defense pork will surely continue yet, as with "welfare" and crony capitalism, will simply be spread among other departments, agencies and programs to make it seem like cuts were made while nothing actually changes. Wait and see what happens in two months, as we follow that borrow and speniding can further down the road. When the PPACA borrow and spend machine more fully awakens in 2014, watch that national deficit/debt soar, even more, out of control. Also note that Obama sees inflation and COLA adjustments to SS/Medicare as "the fix", while still claiming to be for the "little guy" or middle class - yet Obama will never cut "income based" entitlements for the great loafing class, that not only pay little (or no) federal taxes but "need" gov't cash simply to survive.

I asked in another thread, where did you get 14%???

And again part of the cost of defense is veteran services and retirement. Lets also not forget running wars 'off the books'- what family can do that? Now take Social Security out of the mix as it is funded by a payroll tax and only count the money being paid back from all that was borrowed.

As for 'defense' we spend more than the next 14 nations combined- is that where you got the 14? all but a handful are our allies. To defend our nation or is it to impose our will?
 
Anyone else notice they used this
opportunity to delay some of the
system wrecking provisions of Obamacare until it's too late to even consider repealing the whole pig? Here's one such.

Its unreal isn't it ?

There's not one honest utterance out of the mouth of any liberal these days as. Hospitals get to pass on their extra cost of supporting half the Dr Fix straight to us by way of higher premiums.

And people on this forum say with a straight face how they "understand why they need to have their taxes raised" or how ObamaCare is good for the country or will lower the deficit.

Its like a retarded guy with a pocket full of 100 dollar bills stepping up to a shell game and Obama's running the scam.
 
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