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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    yes but its not PERMANENT this was a temporary cliff fix...this is not the end result which will come in the next couple of months...I submit that the payroll tax for all under 400,000 and possibly 250,000 will not go up
    If you work for a living check your first paycheck with a pay period ending date for January and compare it to one of your December checks and let me know if it went up.
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Or it could be that he didn't want to cut anything to begin with.

    Your 2c is about as valuable ad mine but here is what Im a thiken. Bo goes into negotiations without having given anything away. He gives just a tiny sliver of what he originally offered bohner(what bohner turned down) in the cliff negotiations, then the arguments start. Win,win for BO.
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I'd LOVE to see where you get the 14%. And just why are we excepting the veteran services and retirement...that is part and parcel of the cost to defend the nation.
    First the spending information requested:

    Government Spending in United States: Federal State Local for 2013 - Charts Tables History

    The reason that PAST military members benefits are not included in the CURRENT military budget should be obvious. Just like SS/Medicare are not included in "welfare" since they are separate programs and oblligations. Do the dept. of agriculture, heath, education, energy or any other federal department (except the semi-independent postal service) count the cost of pensions and medical care for their retirees in their budgets?
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Utter hogwash to borrow your term. The republicants (see what I did there) sat hard and fast with no give on their end. When Speaker of the House Boehner put a bill up his own party shot it down. So down to the wire we went until the Republicants had no other choice but take what was agreed, the tax cuts for the middle class and the end of the 2% payroll 'holiday'.

    Now if the Party of No could sit down and honestly bargain about ALL that ends to be addressed, such as the DoD bloated budget I reckon we could get something done.
    Yes, I "see what you did there". You quipped childish naming insults better suited for a school yard than a venue of any type of intellectual conversation, bravo. You also in no way negated anything I stated despite claiming it was "utter hogwash", doing nothing to refute the fact that this "compromise" bill increased taxes and increased spending.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Your 2c is about as valuable ad mine but here is what Im a thiken. Bo goes into negotiations without having given anything away. He gives just a tiny sliver of what he originally offered bohner(what bohner turned down) in the cliff negotiations, then the arguments start. Win,win for BO.
    The difference between what I said and what you said is that what you said is built on the back of a unicorn pegasus while mine is built on reality. The only thing he ever wanted to do was raise the taxes on the rich and use the bill for further spending.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post

    Oh and don't call the President, "boy". It makes you sound like a racist teaparty a-hole. Your not that are you?
    I've often thought of Barrack Obama as a boy doing a man's job but have caught myself in time because of the possible racial overtones. But if BHO was White I wouldn't hesitate to use the term. Instead we have to use terms like "seriously under-qualified", which suits him just as well but lacks the folksiness and plain truth of the other.

    Sometimes things just are, without always looking for racism.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Can you imagine if every family sat down every month and decided whether to pay their bills or not like Republicans want to do with America's bills?
    Oh, we want to talk about the budget like it's a family now, huh? Could you imagine if every family sat down and decided they'd spend 46% more money then they actually had every year, like Obama's proposed budget has been doing?

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The difference between what I said and what you said is that what you said is built on the back of a unicorn pegasus while mine is built on reality. The only thing he ever wanted to do was raise the taxes on the rich and use the bill for further spending.
    Speaking of "unicorn pegasus ".
    The only thing he ever wanted to do was raise the taxes on the rich and use the bill for further spending.
    Do unicorns eat straw
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Speaking of "unicorn pegasus ". Do unicorns eat straw
    What I said is the truth and what happened.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The teaparty far rights existence will be tried in the next few months. I see alot of conservatives and liberals on here make statements that are not based on any facts or the reality of whats actually occurring. You need to read more guys.
    The teaparty is not dead they are raging a battle within their own party that they "APPEAR" to be losing. There are far more professional conservatives and national conservative and media figures aligning against them more to the traditonal side. There is a hue and cry to tone down ultra right talk radio and the conservative entertainment news industry...we know who they are Rush and Fox etc.
    As I see it the teaparty which represents the far right on the GOP has got to tone down its rhetoric and its stonewalling. They need to shorten their list of who they want to take from to fund more tax cuts for the rich. The teaparty went waaaaaaaay to far because they were overly cocky they were going to win the entire enchilada.
    They went after the poor, they went after the senior citizens, they went after Middle class, they went after govt workers and in the same breath were screaming and stamping their feet for more tax cuts for the top richest...they had to be high to think they were going to breeze through that even with the billion in rich man money they had to win the election.
    The teaparty wont go away it actually has always existed in a different name the Conservative Caucus...they just got megabuck funding this time around and alot of attention. The teaparty wont go away but its influence has peaked with the loss of this election.
    I'm always amused to see what the perception of the "teaparty" has morphed into. When they first arrived on the scene I went to a website to see what they were about. I remember finding a 10 point statement that could be summed up in one sentence, "quit spending my grandchildren into oblivion". The most radical point I heard from them was the idea that if you send more money to Wash, Wash would do nothing to improve our fiscal outlook and would instead create new spending. Not only do I not consider that radical, it's spot on, as just demonstrated once again.

    The idea that the teaparty went after the poor, senior citizens, etc is absurd. They merely played the adult in the room and pointed out that anyone that thinks we are going to get out of this fiscal mess without impacting everyone including the poor, seniors, etc. is kidding themselves. The opposition to tax hikes on the rich is about not sending more money to Wash so Wash can't create new spending, the class warfare scene seems to be the lefts forte.

    I don't know where the "teaparty" will end up, but the people who want Wash to quit spending our grandchildren into oblivion are still here. Perhaps a bit sadder and poorer but still here.

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