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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Speaken of whupass check out post # 214.
    He "feels" Keynesian economics were 'a part of it' but doesn't quote Keynes for support. I chose not to comment and just let it go.

    You had it handed to you again. Why not just move on?

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

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    The bailout didn't really save GM. If GM had gone bankrupt they would have restructured as in the past. Quite possibly it would have come back a stronger company. Besides the financial help GM received was secondary to getting out from beneath their crippling retirement legacy costs.
    Then the bailout should never have been offered or accepted. Ford took the high road.

    On top of that the job loss horrors of a GM restructuring were greatly exaggerated. I have no doubt my company would be included in that supply chain even though as a percentage of my business it's negligible. For some of us this was a combination of too big to fail and payback to the unions. I wish GM well but worry, as with the banks, they will proceed with the assumption they will always be bailed out.
    Yes, good point. Once companies feel they can be too big to fail then they will become fatter and more careless. I wish GM well also but still would not buy one of their vehicles. I bought a Ford, and shares in the company as well.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What about Packard, Reo, Nash, etc. Did it ever lead to a shortage of vehicles for the US consumer?

    Isn't the government control of business Communism?

    If the Chinese make a good vehicle at a good price I might buy but, traditionally, Communists make crappy automobiles.
    Like I said. Sorry no Chinese cars for you.
    You wanted the American automobile to disappear just to get the unions. It's pretty childish and petty. But what else do you have?

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    The stimulus to the auto industry not only saved the car makers but it save automotive parts manufactures .It also saved dealership;states are receiving more taxes because of more American cars are being sold.Yes, the American Auto-making industry is BACK.
    Thats a nice way of trying to move the goal posts. Im talking of the stimulus in total. It did not accomplish its stated goal. If I wanted to talk about TARP, I would have.

    BTW, the bailout agreement closed a hell of a lot of dealerships. But if you just count the entirety of the jobs saved and ignore the jobs that were lost with the agreement you have a successful program. Traditionally, thats called spin.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Like I said. Sorry no Chinese cars for you.
    You wanted the American automobile to disappear just to get the unions. It's pretty childish and petty. But what else do you have?
    Where did I say I wanted the American auto to disappear? In fact there are several auto manufacturers in the US and I think that's a very good thing. The problem is when governments giving money to private companies, which inevitably leads to corruption and cronyism.

    Because of their slim hold on facts and reality, Leftists must always use quotes to support whatever shaky opinions they might offer. That's a new rule and you should register yourself as a committed leftist as soon as possible.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    He "feels" Keynesian economics were 'a part of it' but doesn't quote Keynes for support. I chose not to comment and just let it go.

    You had it handed to you again. Why not just move on?
    Before you RUN OFF to your fav winger site to check out the what the latest winger talking points of the day are, i suggest that you go to this link.If you dig deep enough into the "DP archives" you might learn how to debate a subject and stay on the topic that your debating.

    For anyone following this thread, check out post#214.I posted a brief/synopsis.. road map?that got us to this point; where Grant felt that he had to run off.Just sayen.
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Once again the revised 2009 budget with an additional 400 billion was not signed by Bush. It was signed by Obama. The additional money from the stimulus in some cases added to the baseline budget numbers. Obama was all for the increases that occurred in the 2009 budget. I really wish liberals would stop trying to pretend they were not responsible for the increases when they wanted what was agreed to and would have went for more if they thought it would have passed. Its a farce.


    Moving the goal post?Whatta hoot you are. In post #151,where you quoted me, I was discussing Keynesian theory with fenton and you came barging in with this bull****.

    “The additional money from the stimulus in some cases added to the baseline budget numbers. Obama was all for the increases that occurred in the 2009 budget."
    Now you get on your ****ing rag and say

    “Thats a nice way of trying to move the goal posts. “
    When you shoved it out of the way when you QUOTED ME.
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    Moving the goal post?Whatta hoot you are. In post #151,where you quoted me, I was discussing Keynesian theory with fenton and you came barging in with this bull****.



    Now you get on your ****ing rag and say

    When you shoved it out of the way when you QUOTED ME.
    Just clearing some misconceptions up. I originally posted in this thread in post 151 and was quoting your post at 101. Wherein you claimed the following:

    Originally Posted by Whipsnade
    In Obamas 2010 budget,( BO's first)spending was $3.46 trillion. In 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion. the 2009 budget is the Bush budget, with spending going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion.

    CBO | The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2012 to 2022
    Its looks to me as though you are claiming that Obama has nothing to do with the 2009 budget, when that is not the case. Obama had his fingerprints all over the 2009 budget and the spending increases it entailed. He signed it, the dem congress wouldnt present the budget they bloated by an additional 400billion to Bush, they presented it to Obama when he came into office, combine that with the stimulus baseline spending changes and you have a big spender. Your statement undercuts that premise, as you both want the credit for the results of spending to go to Obama but the deficits that it entails to be put upon Bush.

    If you are going to make a claim, and skip over the reasoning between the lines, dont get all nasty when it gets challenged.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Just clearing some misconceptions up. I originally posted in this thread in post 151 and was quoting your post at 101. Wherein you claimed the following:



    Its looks to me as though you are claiming that Obama has nothing to do with the 2009 budget, when that is not the case. Obama had his fingerprints all over the 2009 budget and the spending increases it entailed. He signed it, the dem congress wouldnt present the budget they bloated by an additional 400billion to Bush, they presented it to Obama when he came into office, combine that with the stimulus baseline spending changes and you have a big spender. Your statement undercuts that premise, as you both want the credit for the results of spending to go to Obama but the deficits that it entails to be put upon Bush.

    If you are going to make a claim, and skip over the reasoning between the lines, dont get all nasty when it gets challenged.
    OK,we can talk about the 2009 budget if you want.Whose budget was it?the first budget that can be blamed on BO, IMO, began in 2010 .WELL!...i had better revise that a bit.the first budget that can be blamed by most sane people on BO, began in 2010.

    2010, BO's first, spending fell to $3.46 trillion,2011 spending shot up to $3.60 trillion,2012 begets $3.63 trillion in debt .that leads us up to the final budget of BO's first term. Where according to the CBO its projected to fall to $3.58 trillion. Classic case of making lemonade outta lemons if you ask me. Your thoughts.
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    OK,we can talk about the 2009 budget if you want.Whose budget was it?the first budget that can be blamed on BO, IMO, began in 2010 .WELL!...i had better revise that a bit.the first budget that can be blamed by most sane people on BO, began in 2010.

    2010, BO's first, spending fell to $3.46 trillion,2011 spending shot up to $3.60 trillion,2012 begets $3.63 trillion in debt .that leads us up to the final budget of BO's first term. Where according to the CBO its projected to fall to $3.58 trillion. Classic case of making lemonade outta lemons if you ask me. Your thoughts.
    Yep. Thought so.
    by most sane people
    Dont bait. Dont be a jerk. If you cant make your point without snide comments keep your mouth shut.

    Agree to disagree about the budget. Obama signed the 2009 budget, dems added $400B to the budget proviso that Bush sent to them. You can spin that, you can ignore it, but there it is.

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