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Thread: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes[W: 110]

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    because he talks like a fool.. I gotta know.. he must be home collecting my tax dollars in the form of Obamamoney..

    I gotta feeling he is no titan of industry..
    Maybe he is an entrepreneur such as myself. I’m a Christmas tree salesman.
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes[W: 110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    In other words Keynesian economics works.
    You feel Keynesian economics were involved?

    Where?

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    The stimulus to the auto industry not only saved the car makers but it save automotive parts manufactures .It also saved dealership;states are receiving more taxes because of more American cars are being sold.Yes, the American Auto-making industry is BACK.
    It did not save "the car makers". It took taxpayer money and put it into failed automakers which, undoubtedly, will fail again. It was corrupt cronyism and of course unfair competition to legitimate auto manufacturers.

    Automakers have failed dozens of times in the past, were quickly replaced by others, and the public took their failures in stride, just as they do all failed companies.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes[W: 110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You feel Keynesian economics were involved?

    Where?
    In post #185 in response to my post where I said “We were the only industrial power that had the capacity to rebuild Europe(Marshall Plan) and japan but the rebuilding was classic Keynesian. “Fentons reply was “What was different about the American economy back then? “

    That brings us to post#188 where I replied with.“It had an industrial base. “Which got this reply from Fenton in post #193 “It had a manufacturing Base and was an isolated economy. “Which I ignored because ...WELL, look at it and tell me if it makes any sense to you.


    That brings us up to your post #197, where i answered your three paragraph post with. ”In other words Keynesian economics works.“

    your first paragraph “It had the ONLY industrial base. Now there is foreign competition and the US economy, in comparison with others, is not doing as well as it did back then. “The other two paragraphs were your opinions.


    That brings up to your post #212 “You feel Keynesian economics were involved?Where? “


    So...i will answer your question now. YES, I feel that Keynesian economics were very much a part of our war effort. NO,<preemptive) the war didn't pull us out of the great depression; the Roosevelt implemented Keynesian economic policy is what did. Keynesian economics also was what pulled Europe outta the doldrums,with the Marshall Plan.
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It did not save "the car makers". It took taxpayer money and put it into failed automakers which, undoubtedly, will fail again. It was corrupt cronyism and of course unfair competition to legitimate auto manufacturers.

    Automakers have failed dozens of times in the past, were quickly replaced by others, and the public took their failures in stride, just as they do all failed companies.

    This is winger bull**** and not worthy of a reply.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It did not save "the car makers". It took taxpayer money and put it into failed automakers which, undoubtedly, will fail again. It was corrupt cronyism and of course unfair competition to legitimate auto manufacturers.

    Automakers have failed dozens of times in the past, were quickly replaced by others, and the public took their failures in stride, just as they do all failed companies.
    We have also rescued automakers before and not regretted it either. I'm sorry if you wanted to buy your next car from Communists but it is not good for America to buy everything from China.
    You will just have to suffer.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    This is winger bull**** and not worthy of a reply.
    Your standards are just too high, are they?

    You just had a bad case of whupass, that's all.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    We have also rescued automakers before and not regretted it either. I'm sorry if you wanted to buy your next car from Communists but it is not good for America to buy everything from China.
    You will just have to suffer.
    What about Packard, Reo, Nash, etc. Did it ever lead to a shortage of vehicles for the US consumer?

    Isn't the government control of business Communism?

    If the Chinese make a good vehicle at a good price I might buy but, traditionally, Communists make crappy automobiles.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your standards are just too high, are they?

    You just had a bad case of whupass, that's all.
    Speaken of whupass check out post # 214.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    We have also rescued automakers before and not regretted it either. I'm sorry if you wanted to buy your next car from Communists but it is not good for America to buy everything from China. You will just have to suffer.
    The bailout didn't really save GM. If GM had gone bankrupt they would have restructured as in the past. Quite possibly it would have come back a stronger company. Besides the financial help GM received was secondary to getting out from beneath their crippling retirement legacy costs.

    On top of that the job loss horrors of a GM restructuring were greatly exaggerated. I have no doubt my company would be included in that supply chain even though as a percentage of my business it's negligible. For some of us this was a combination of too big to fail and payback to the unions. I wish GM well but worry, as with the banks, they will proceed with the assumption they will always be bailed out.

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