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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    Really?

    When does it revert back to what it was a month ago?
    when the re negotiations start...this was a temporary cliff fix

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems that a Frenchman, dead for over 150 years, is a great deal more insightful than the Obamacrats of today.

    “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
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    Now they actually believe that 'the rich' can pay for their excesses but 'the middle class' will remain untouched. This is a profound ignorance, but one not without historical precedents.
    It's obvious that the rich have not been paying very much since the 1980's. Their net wealth has quintupled while our debt has tripled. You don't see that as a problem?

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It's obvious that the rich have not been paying very much since the 1980's. Their net wealth has quintupled while our debt has tripled. You don't see that as a problem?
    Only more than ever.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    when the re negotiations start...this was a temporary cliff fix
    I'd love to see the GOP revive the debt ceiling lunacy and prevent relief for victims of hurricane Sandy. It's totally defines how delusional and nihilistic they have become.

    But it won't happen. Even rightwing loons like King and Christie are feed up with the tea party nihilism. The debt ceiling gambit is over.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    The tea party is essentially against modern America, a modern economy, and modern science. They want to return to economic policies that brought us child labor and 6 day work weeks, with most wealth going to the wealthy, zero pollution control, zero regulation of the industries that dominate the economy and external costs. The deny climate science, evolution, and think scientists are in a conspiracy. Indeed they think everybody but them are conspiracing, which is part of their paranoid maladjusted politics.

    So your impression is about as off-base as possible.
    You obviously are clueless on the Tea Party. Only libs deny climate science.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I'd love to see the GOP revive the debt ceiling lunacy and prevent relief for victims of hurricane Sandy. It's totally defines how delusional and nihilistic they have become.

    But it won't happen. Even rightwing loons like King and Christie are feed up with the tea party nihilism. The debt ceiling gambit is over.
    New song and lose nihilism/nihilistic. You've grown quite too fond of it.
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    when the re negotiations start...this was a temporary cliff fix
    The FICA tax increase wasn't part of the fiscal cliff deal....the temporary 2 percent reduction was just allowed to expire.

    The measure passed Tuesday prevents middle-class taxes from going up while raising rates on higher incomes. It also blocks severe across-the-board spending cuts for two months, extends unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless for a year, stops a 27 percent cut in Medicare fees paid to doctors and prevents a possible doubling of milk prices.


    The alternative was going over the cliff, an economy-punching half-trillion-dollar combination of sweeping tax increases and spending cuts. Despite the deal, the government partially went over the brink anyway with the expiration of a two-year cut in Social Security payroll taxes of two percentage points.
    Read more here: Cliff averted, it's on to the next fiscal crisis - National - NewsObserver.com
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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I'd love to see the GOP revive the debt ceiling lunacy and prevent relief for victims of hurricane Sandy. It's totally defines how delusional and nihilistic they have become.

    But it won't happen. Even rightwing loons like King and Christie are feed up with the tea party nihilism. The debt ceiling gambit is over.

    It has nothing to do with them being sick of the teaparty or the teaparty itself...its all about their re election...christie is a republican in a democrat state, he most like will be re elected easily but NJ is iffy..they get one thing stuck in their craw for ya party can change abruptly.

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes[W: 110]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    In your head, yes. In actuallity it doesn't work.

    It's one of those concepts that only work in a vacuum or the isolated hypotheticals of a University classroom.

    In the real world where our economy is global and any borrowed money redistributed just gets sent to China because we have almost no manufacturing base its a joke and doesn't work.

    Am I to understand that its archaic beginings are lost on you completly ?
    Government spending from 1933 to 1936 brought recovery,when we had a lull in spending in the years of 1937 and 1938 progress stopped. Then spending resumed in 1939 and 1940,recovery resumed.That was hardly a working in a vacuum.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Fiscal Cliff Bill Passes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    The Obamaphones are who is holding the country hostage
    How so.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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