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    60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic' | Mail Online

    Up to 60,000 patients die on the Liverpool Care Pathway each year without giving their consent, shocking figures revealed yesterday.
    A third of families are also kept in the dark when doctors withdraw lifesaving treatment from loved ones.
    The "care pathway" is where they sedate patients and then withdraw life sustaining care, basically killing them off.

    Put the government in charge of health care and then see what happens when the government gets short of money.

    The BHS basically pays a bounty for every patient finished off this way. 130,000 patients are killed this way yearly, apparently almost half of them without consent.

    The British Health Minister calls the pathway "a great step forward."

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic' | Mail Online



    The "care pathway" is where they sedate patients and then withdraw life sustaining care, basically killing them off.

    Put the government in charge of health care and then see what happens when the government gets short of money.

    The BHS basically pays a bounty for every patient finished off this way. 130,000 patients are killed this way yearly, apparently almost half of them without consent.

    The British Health Minister calls the pathway "a great step forward."
    It is a great step forward, in my opinion. When someone has a terminal disease and is in the last stages, it is absolutely foolish to keep spending tens of thousands -- hundreds of thousands -- prolonging the inevitable. It is horribly difficult on the person as well as on their families. There is only one reason for doctors to treat clearly-terminal illnesses: they make more money keeping you interminably alive than by letting you die a peaceful death.

    As for paying them a bounty. That's just pejorative bull****.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told but minister still says controversial end-of-life plan is 'fantastic' | Mail Online



    The "care pathway" is where they sedate patients and then withdraw life sustaining care, basically killing them off.

    Put the government in charge of health care and then see what happens when the government gets short of money.

    The BHS basically pays a bounty for every patient finished off this way. 130,000 patients are killed this way yearly, apparently almost half of them without consent.

    The British Health Minister calls the pathway "a great step forward."
    They were treated like dogs waiting to be put down, says son of death pathway couple | Mail Online

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    I read that article. If it is true, they're killing off people who aren't necessarily terminal, just very old... and in some cases letting them starve to death apparently. Horrible.


    There's a difference between giving a dying person enough morphine to shorten his final suffering, and letting someone starve needlessly or killing off a man just because he is 90.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is a great step forward, in my opinion. When someone has a terminal disease and is in the last stages, it is absolutely foolish to keep spending tens of thousands -- hundreds of thousands -- prolonging the inevitable. It is horribly difficult on the person as well as on their families. There is only one reason for doctors to treat clearly-terminal illnesses: they make more money keeping you interminably alive than by letting you die a peaceful death.

    As for paying them a bounty. That's just pejorative bull****.
    That's not their decision to make, these people aren't dogs. That's the patient's and the family's decision to make. You really want a doctor to diagnose you as terminal, then put a pillow over your head? Or would you like to maybe get a second opinion or choose how you want to spend your last days?
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is a great step forward, in my opinion. When someone has a terminal disease and is in the last stages, it is absolutely foolish to keep spending tens of thousands -- hundreds of thousands -- prolonging the inevitable. It is horribly difficult on the person as well as on their families. There is only one reason for doctors to treat clearly-terminal illnesses: they make more money keeping you interminably alive than by letting you die a peaceful death.

    As for paying them a bounty. That's just pejorative bull****.
    "A great step forward"? Good grief Maggy what a way to start the new year. Letting people die without their consent is murder!

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    As someone who has implemented the LCP with patients and carers, let me inject some reality to the thread.

    What is the Liverpool Care Pathway? - Health News - NHS Choices

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I read that article. If it is true, they're killing off people who aren't necessarily terminal, just very old... and in some cases letting them starve to death apparently. Horrible.


    There's a difference between giving a dying person enough morphine to shorten his final suffering, and letting someone starve needlessly or killing off a man just because he is 90.
    Its the Daily Mail..... hardly the best source for credible information.. especially when it comes to the NHS.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I read that article. If it is true, they're killing off people who aren't necessarily terminal, just very old... and in some cases letting them starve to death apparently. Horrible.


    There's a difference between giving a dying person enough morphine to shorten his final suffering, and letting someone starve needlessly or killing off a man just because he is 90.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's not their decision to make, these people aren't dogs. That's the patient's and the family's decision to make. You really want a doctor to diagnose you as terminal, then put a pillow over your head? Or would you like to maybe get a second opinion or choose how you want to spend your last days?
    It is exceedingly difficult for family to make that decision. Most families? They can't do it. Actually? Loving pet owners are sometimes kinder to their dogs than they are to their mothers.
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