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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I am 100% pro-assisted suicide. If the sick and old want to go, that's their business. If they want to keep on living and some doctor makes that decision for them, it's killing for money, and that is a horribly morally bankrupted concept.
    It is not killing for money. The doctor receives no compensation for letting someone die as a natural course of their disease. When my father was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor back in the summer of '11, we knew that there was no cure. He had 6 weeks of radiation treatments to try and slow the growth of the tumor, but his prognosis was have a maximum of 1 1/2 years to live, if that. After his radiation treatments were finished, he became critically ill due to a bacterial infection, and was admitted to the hospital. My mother knew that he would never be cured of the cancer, and the natural progression of the cancer would render him unable to speak, eat, walk, or do anything. She made the decision to let him die from complications of the infection, with my full support. I have absolutely no regrets, and the decision was made based on the reality of his condition, and not with money taken into consideration.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    By all means, blow my mind with some cost statistics. I can't even fathom that it could cost more than rebuilding a few countries that we can't even ****ing stand.
    About 25% of Medicare spending, is done on end of life care.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Okay... and how is the weather up there on planet la la?

    Are you seriously saying that there is not one person in the whole of the US in the (lets be generous) last 10 years, that has not died because ones insurance has run out and there was no funding for further care? Are you also saying that there are not people in the US that dont get care because they dont have the money and when they finally get put in the ER it is too late?
    Care is always available somewhere. It might not be posh, but it's available. And, I might add, won't be any more available than it is now when the PPACA kicks in.

    As for insurance, I thought we were discussing a different issue, which is insurance, still in effect, not paying for necessary care.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    About 25% of Medicare spending, is done on end of life care.

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    Plus what we spend for end stage renal disease, which is not curable, and for which treatment can go for a substantial number of years.
    Taxpayers pay exorbitant sums for these poor outcomes. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which cover treatment for end-stage renal disease, even for the non-elderly, spent $24 billion on dialysis in 2007. Just one percent of Medicare beneficiaries who are on dialysis generated a whopping 5.6 percent of the agency’s bills. Moreover, the obesity epidemic guarantees that those numbers will only shoot up in the years ahead since more than 100,000 people are now entering dialysis ever year – more than the number that die from the one of the conditions that leads to kidney failure.
    Medicare's high cost end stage renal disease patients
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    About 25% of Medicare spending, is done on end of life care.

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    So let's break that down. Medicare funding is about $835 billion, so x .25 we're looking at about $208 billion. According to your article, only 38% of medicare beneficiaries have some kind of nursing home stay in the last year of their life. Of that $208 billion, how much of that is actually going to keep alive patients labeled "terminal" or "not worth saving"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It is not killing for money. The doctor receives no compensation for letting someone die as a natural course of their disease. When my father was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor back in the summer of '11, we knew that there was no cure. He had 6 weeks of radiation treatments to try and slow the growth of the tumor, but his prognosis was have a maximum of 1 1/2 years to live, if that. After his radiation treatments were finished, he became critically ill due to a bacterial infection, and was admitted to the hospital. My mother knew that he would never be cured of the cancer, and the natural progression of the cancer would render him unable to speak, eat, walk, or do anything. She made the decision to let him die from complications of the infection, with my full support. I have absolutely no regrets, and the decision was made based on the reality of his condition, and not with money taken into consideration.
    Then we're not even talking about the same thing. SHE, his WIFE, made the decision, not some ***hole that didn't even know him.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    By all means, blow my mind with some cost statistics. I can't even fathom that it could cost more than rebuilding a few countries that we can't even ****ing stand.
    That's another thing RA..every month our government hand out billions of pounds..to help famine..build wells..fight AIDS..

    It works out that the average British Taxpayer is spending..£137 a year on foreign aid..

    When someone spends my money..I would like a receipt..and proof that this money has actually gone to enhance someone else's life...

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    SoThen we're not even talking about the same thing. SHE, his WIFE, made the decision, not some ***hole that didn't even know him.
    The point is that in cases such as my father's, someone NEEDS to make these decisions, and there are many people in our society who cannot make them, based in reality. The reality is, nobody has a right to unlimited care on the taxpayer's dime. You know that I am a reality-based individual, who takes individual responsibility seriously. If a person wants unlimited care, he should be the one to pay for it- not the collective taxpayer. We simply can't afford to do it, and at some point, limits must be made, based on necessity.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    End of life conciliation is about information. That is what has been called a death panel here. So when you talk about here, that is what you're speaking to.
    So you agree that informed consent is necessary before a patient is put on a pathway that will end his or her life?

    I don't have any problem with informing people of their options including things like this pathway, withdrawing life sustaining care, hospice care, etc.. That's a duty the caregivers have.

    Still not sure I have your meaning.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    [QUOTE=RabidAlpaca;1061308085]So let's break that down. Medicare funding is about $835 billion, so x .25 we're looking at about $208 billion. According to your article, only 38% of medicare beneficiaries have some kind of nursing home stay in the last year of their life. Of that $208 billion, how much of that is actually going to keep alive patients labeled "terminal" or "not worth saving"?


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    So do you not think that every time you go to the doctors..and he writes you a prescription for such and such medication..

    That he is not getting a backhander from that particular drugs company??

    D'oh...

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So let's break that down. Medicare funding is about $835 billion, so x .25 we're looking at about $208 billion. According to your article, only 38% of medicare beneficiaries have some kind of nursing home stay in the last year of their life. Of that $208 billion, how much of that is actually going to keep alive patients labeled "terminal" or "not worth saving"?
    Those costs are ballooning because of baby boomers.
    Medicare spending is going to be reduced, that is just one part of the over all reduction in spending and limiting of benefits, that will eventually happen.
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