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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If you didn't like it as much as I do, you would realize how preposterous it is. Of all the stupid **** we spend money on, you would have us start offing old people to save money? What the hell kind of society would we be running here?
    To the bolded: One based on reality. The reality is that we all get sick and die at some point. This is not "offing" old people. It is living within the reality that we can't keep everyone alive who doesn't want to face the fact that they are sick and that they will die. Since you aren't in the business of health care, I can see why you would have trouble understanding the issues at stake, but the amount of money that we spend to keep people alive, when there is no cure or long-term benefit, is phenomenal.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not "old people", but "old people who are so sick, there is no purpose for continuing their life."

    Medicare is going to be the largest budget item we have and we won't have enough to pay for it, plus everything else.
    That's one of those reality things again.

    You can't have all the medical care you want, especially for elderly people, the money just isn't there, without punitive taxation on everyone else.
    I am 100% pro-assisted suicide. If the sick and old want to go, that's their business. If they want to keep on living and some doctor makes that decision for them, it's killing for money, and that is a horribly morally bankrupted concept.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To the bolded: One based on reality. The reality is that we all get sick and die at some point. This is not "offing" old people. It is living within the reality that we can't keep everyone alive who doesn't want to face the fact that they are sick and that they will die. Since you aren't in the business of health care, I can see why you would have trouble understanding the issues at stake, but the amount of money that we spend to keep people alive, when there is no cure or long-term benefit, is phenomenal.
    We just spend 4 trillion on iraq and afghanistan helping people we not only don't like, but people we hate, and you want to tell me we can't afford to keep a few sick people on life support?
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I am 100% pro-assisted suicide. If the sick and old want to go, that's their business. If they want to keep on living and some doctor makes that decision for them, it's killing for money, and that is a horribly morally bankrupted concept.


    We just spend 4 trillion on iraq and afghanistan, and you want to tell me we can't afford to keep a few sick people on life support?
    Yes I'm telling you that.
    Medicare, Medicaid and debt interest are going to consume out entire federal budget in the future.
    If things like this, aren't done to reduce spending.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    We just spend 4 trillion on iraq and afghanistan, and you want to tell me we can't afford to keep a few sick people on life support?
    You are naive if you think this is a small problem.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You spoke about here. Here information is what we have always been talking about.
    Sorry, I'm not following you.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    No doubt you find it difficult to live in a world in which it is assumed that a person can't even trust his or her own family.
    Do you???

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Sorry, I'm not following you.
    End of life conciliation is about information. That is what has been called a death panel here. So when you talk about here, that is what you're speaking to.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Well, it's either a lost cause or they died because funding was pulled. You can't have it both ways.

    As for patients who die because their funding was pulled, I know the answer: Hardly anyone. There are a lot of patients who have the expectation that anything they want will be funded whether it's likely to benefit them or not, but patients who don't get necessary things without which they die? No, doesn't happen. Not even in charity hospitals.
    Okay... and how is the weather up there on planet la la?

    Are you seriously saying that there is not one person in the whole of the US in the (lets be generous) last 10 years, that has not died because ones insurance has run out and there was no funding for further care? Are you also saying that there are not people in the US that dont get care because they dont have the money and when they finally get put in the ER it is too late?
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Do you???
    No, I'm living in this world.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You are naive if you think this is a small problem.
    By all means, blow my mind with some cost statistics. I can't even fathom that it could cost more than rebuilding a few countries that we can't even ****ing stand.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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