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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You dont think that perhaps the patient isnt ready to die yet? What you just said is really easy to say if it isnt you or someone that you love. And well since you are not actually the person consenting then thanx for your opinion, and thankfully you are powerless.

    On January 10th, 2011 my Mom passed away after a long battle with COPD. Her doctor literally asked me to make the decision to let her die by taking here off of oxygen and no longer feed here in the hospital. I agreed since her mind was gone from oxygen deprivation. She had been listed as terminally ill since 1998 and here mind didnt start really going until the last year. My kids got to know their Grandma in those years (one was born in 2000 the other in 2003)

    You have no right to decide who lives based on how much it costs to keep them alive. My Mom was on medicare she worked all of her life even after 1998 despite her condition. ANd I am sick of heartless people like you thinking that they can dictate what other people do with their lives. I suggest that you hope on a plane and go off to somewhere else where such an attitude is accepted in that society because this is not how Americans treat their loved ones. Here we at least give a **** about dying people.

    IMHO people like you are monsters. You can hate me report me to a mod I REALLY ****ING DONT CARE.
    Why would I report you?

    My husband died of lung cancer after a year-long battle. He had a tumor in his lungs the size of an orange. They removed one lobe. The surgery was excruciatingly painful. Horrible for him. The first day after surgery, they took him off most pain medication; he couldn't even talk he was in so much pain. He took radiation every day for six weeks -- we had to drive 150 miles every day for the treatments. The drive was extremely painful for him every single day.

    The doctor recommended chemotherapy...said he'd take it for the rest of his life, although it might extend it. "Would you do it if you were him?" I asked. "If I had a son graduating from college, and I wanted to be there for his graduation? I might. Otherwise, I would not." (He didn't take it.)

    Anyhow, before he recovered from the surgery? The cancer had moved to his spine. To his spleen. To his kidneys. He was in intractable pain for the rest of his life. Could barely walk. Only in the last few months did they medicate it away. And when they did that? He was gone as well. His death was horrible. I was with him every step of the way.

    My dad had a stroke. He lived with it for nine miserable years. Hated his life. He could barely walk. Had lost any quality of life he had left. His wife had to work, so the kids helped out every single day of those nine years. He was always falling...one day he fell and really hurt his back. The pain wouldn't subside. It left him crying like a baby and in agony every time he moved. Doctors couldn't find a reason for it...they put him in the hospital where he got pneumonia and his kidneys failed. The kidney doctor told us matter-of-factly that he'd be on dialysis at least three days a week for the rest of his life. "How about his back pain," we asked. "We can't do anything about that." We placed him in hospice at the hospital. He died in two days.

    Don't call me a monster. I've been there and bought the T-Shirt. My heart's been broken twice -- with more in the headlights. I don't know how you can possibly take the position you're taking when you withdrew life support from your mother. Kind of hypocritical, don't you think?
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post



    The "care pathway" is where they sedate patients and then withdraw life sustaining care, basically killing them off.

    Put the government in charge of health care and then see what happens when the government gets short of money.
    Unfortunately, this is what many of us will be looking at, as healthcare costs get out of control, and our medical technology exceeds our ability to pay for it. We are living longer lifespans, but spending more years in chronically ill conditions, and when this is the case, if government is the payor source, these decisions will be made by government bureaucrats. That is why I prefer private insurers. They can place lifetime benefit limits up front, and the consumer knows beforehand, what he is dealing with. The reality is that we can't keep everyone alive indefinitely, and keeping everyone alive indefinitely is very costly.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know. I wrote my congress critter (R) Grassley over this. He was a proponent for it prior to the big lie. He told me we had to be sensitive to the mistaken beliefs of some. I told him he was full of **** and a coward. A lie is a lie.
    If it's a lie, then how come the Dems couldn't omit that sectoon fast enough?
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If it's a lie, then how come the Dems couldn't omit that sectoon fast enough?
    You're not listening. You are simply repeating that the lie worked.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's a necessary evil, when it comes to elder care and UHC programs.
    If we were smart, we'd be doing the same thing in Medicare.

    Just remember to, that the mail is a sensationalist rag.
    Although there is a grain of truth, to most of their stories.
    That's horrific. Medicine is not an exact science. A terminal diagnosis is not a 100% guarantee that you will die. Even if it was, if you have more days to live, and you want to keep on living, that is your right as an American and as a human being.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea instead of having your HMO pull funding or deny funding... much better to let the bean counters make such calls than those damn uppity doctors and their fancy non-Christian education.

    Do you know how many people in the US alone die each year because they cant afford treatment or their insurance provider pulls funding? And when they die, many are in massive debt after trying to find funds to cure a lost cause?
    Have you ever heard me voice great love for the American health care system? I live in Germany where health care is cheap and fantastic. Doctors don't have the right to put you down because they think you might die someday.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post

    You have no right to decide who lives based on how much it costs to keep them alive. My Mom was on medicare she worked all of her life even after 1998 despite her condition. ANd I am sick of heartless people like you thinking that they can dictate what other people do with their lives. I suggest that you hop on a plane and go off to somewhere else where such an attitude is accepted in that society because this is not how Americans treat their loved ones. Here we at least give a **** about dying people.

    IMHO people like you are monsters. You can hate me report me to a mod I REALLY ****ING DONT CARE.
    The individual has no right to demand that others pick up the cost of their care indefinitely.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's horrific. Medicine is not an exact science. A terminal diagnosis is not a 100% guarantee that you will die. Even if it was, if you have more days to live, and you want to keep on living, that is your right as an American and as a human being.
    Then families?? Step up and do the work. Don't just house your loved ones in nursing homes and beat your breasts, for God's sake. The guy in this article sat around for 33 hours and watched his mother die. He could have removed her from the hospital and taken her home in a heartbeat. Where's THAT story?
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's horrific. Medicine is not an exact science. A terminal diagnosis is not a 100% guarantee that you will die. Even if it was, if you have more days to live, and you want to keep on living, that is your right as an American and as a human being.



    Have you ever heard me voice great love for the American health care system? I live in Germany where health care is cheap and fantastic. Doctors don't have the right to put you down because they think you might die someday.
    Well, I agree in theory, but in practice, I can't.
    We, as a country, have decided that we want our elderly to be insured by a gov UHC program.

    Our ability to continue to pay for it, is at great risk.
    One of the largest costs is end of life care.
    Where do you think they're going to cut services at?

    I don't like it anymore than you, but that's the reality and it's ugly.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If it's a lie, then how come the Dems couldn't omit that sectoon fast enough?
    Please give us a link showing what, in regards to "death panels" was removed from the healthcare bill. You can't. Because it was never there.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The individual has no right to demand that others pick up the cost of their care indefinitely.
    But as a people, we can plan for how to bet deal with such eventualities effectively and efficiently.

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