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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But that wasn't the bill of goods we were sold by Obama now was it? Obama and Pelosi didn't say "hey, let us take over a 6th of the economy, we will run it about the same".....No. They said that the system was broken, to which I think everyone agrees, and that they were going to make it better. Also, the infamous now statement by Pelosi, "we have to pass the bill, to see what's in the bill"... See, I don't even think that they can run it comparably, there is nothing that we see now that government runs, that doesn't constantly require more, and more taxpayer input. Think Post office.
    The post office ran quite efficiently for a long, long time. Like many private sector businesses, technology overtook them. So, your example isn't really as good as many think.

    As for the stuff about Obama and Pelosi, which is meaningless to our discussion. What we have is not what either wanted. There is much borrowed from republicans in a failed effort to involve them.

    However, I'm not speaking of the current reform, but the reform actually needed: UHC, a two tired single payer system. We don't have that.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The post office ran quite efficiently for a long, long time. Like many private sector businesses, technology overtook them. So, your example isn't really as good as many think.

    As for the stuff about Obama and Pelosi, which is meaningless to our discussion. What we have is not what either wanted. There is much borrowed from republicans in a failed effort to involve them.

    However, I'm not speaking of the current reform, but the reform actually needed: UHC, a two tired single payer system. We don't have that.
    Well then, you are arguing for something that not only is NOT in place, but not likely to pass anytime soon. So, if you want hypothetical , I suggest that you start another thread about what you want and see if you get any takers.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well then, you are arguing for something that not only is NOT in place, but not likely to pass anytime soon. So, if you want hypothetical , I suggest that you start another thread about what you want and see if you get any takers.
    Nothing in the thread is addressing what has actually passed. Hell, it's about Liverpool and some are trying to hypothetically link it to what won't likely ever happen here.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nothing in the thread is addressing what has actually passed. Hell, it's about Liverpool and some are trying to hypothetically link it to what won't likely ever happen here.
    I don't know, I am not a fortune teller. But if, or when it does it must be nice to be in your position to ignore it, or simply say "huh, imagine that, I didn't think it would".... Meanwhile, worst case takes place.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't know, I am not a fortune teller. But if, or when it does it must be nice to be in your position to ignore it, or simply say "huh, imagine that, I didn't think it would".... Meanwhile, worst case takes place.
    It's not realistic to think it would happen as a matter of policy. As I stated, it happens now in this country. People slip through, can't afford and don't have the wherewithal to navigate the system. How many? I can't say. But, your more than a bit off in your outrage.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    The OP article looks like a great way to cut down Medicaid costs brought on by the Baby Boomers.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not realistic to think it would happen as a matter of policy. As I stated, it happens now in this country. People slip through, can't afford and don't have the wherewithal to navigate the system. How many? I can't say. But, your more than a bit off in your outrage.
    Well, that's you opinion. And that is all it is.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah...they should be told, but I don't object to the practice.
    Neither do I if it's done right. They need to do something about the abuse of it.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, that's you opinion. And that is all it is.
    You do realize opinions are we deal in on these sites? If you do, you shouldn't have to say it.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do realize opinions are we deal in on these sites? If you do, you shouldn't have to say it.
    I felt I did, in your case you often mistake opinion for fact, and vice verse.
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