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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Many Americans care for money more than anyone else's life, whereas decent people have to make decisions about the use of shared resources. This is one of those areas where it is difficult to discuss ideas with primitives, alas.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I read that article. If it is true, they're killing off people who aren't necessarily terminal, just very old... and in some cases letting them starve to death apparently. Horrible.


    There's a difference between giving a dying person enough morphine to shorten his final suffering, and letting someone starve needlessly or killing off a man just because he is 90.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    I never said they couldn't. Do you even read my posts? It's almost as if you have me on ignore. If people want to "fight" as you state it, fine. Let them pay to suffer. As pointless as it is, it's certainly their right to do so.
    Are you aware that a LOT of times when FIRST diagnosed with cancer (even terminal), people can have little symptoms to no symptoms and feel fine. Of course, they would want to fight the disease. There are PLENTY of people who beat the odds. Doctors are NOT GOD. They DO NOT know how long you can live.

    Here is just ONE example.

    Cancer Patient Beats the Odds, Inspires Thousands

    A Sherwood woman given less than a year to live is beating the odds and her cancer. KARK has been following Leslie Harris' story for over a year. She is still waiting a for a life-saving bone marrow match but thrilled she is helping save others. For Leslie and her mother, Rhonda Harris, playing with Leslie's son Ayden is such a joy, it's hard to think this moment almost didn't happen. "They said I had a three percent chance of living, to write my will and call my family," Leslie Harris explained. September 2011 doctors diagnosed Leslie with leukemia while she was in the hospital giving birth. Doctors gave her six months to a year to live without a life-saving bone marrow match. The news sent her family spinning and searching for a match. "I sat down after 24 hours of terror and I was holding the baby and I literally said you have to calm me one way or another," said Rhonda Harris. "My mom got real worried and she started crying and said how are we supposed to find 25.000 donors and I said mom, we only need one. We only need one for me," said Leslie Harris.

    So, Leslie was given 6 months to live. She has lived for over a year now. Without the medications that she takes daily, she would have been dead now though. If Leslie couldn't afford these medications, she would die. Are you willing to let people like Leslie die because they are POOR? Should Leslie have just given up and died to save other people money if she couldn't afford her medicine?

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    These are PEOPLE we are talking about, not numbers and figures and dollars but PEOPLE with families and lives.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    These are PEOPLE we are talking about, not numbers and figures and dollars but PEOPLE with families and lives.
    True. And I really don't know of anyone who gives up quickly on people. However, there is a point in the process where one reach the end of the fight. It is here that choices have to be made. They are made every day. Some choose to let it end quietly, and others choose to prolong, often without any quality. But the choices are made.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    True. And I really don't know of anyone who gives up quickly on people. However, there is a point in the process where one reach the end of the fight. It is here that choices have to be made. They are made every day. Some choose to let it end quietly, and others choose to prolong, often without any quality. But the choices are made.
    Right, and that is a personal choice to be made by the patient and his/her family. I don't think it should matter whether a person is "poor" or not. They are still entitled to treatment if that is what they choose, and there ARE cases where patients with a doctor-prescribed death sentence beat the odds. It is NOT that unusual for patients to WAY outlive the time they were afforded by their physicians with medication and treatment.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you aware that a LOT of times when FIRST diagnosed with cancer (even terminal), people can have little symptoms to no symptoms and feel fine. Of course, they would want to fight the disease. There are PLENTY of people who beat the odds. Doctors are NOT GOD. They DO NOT know how long you can live.

    Here is just ONE example.

    Cancer Patient Beats the Odds, Inspires Thousands

    A Sherwood woman given less than a year to live is beating the odds and her cancer. KARK has been following Leslie Harris' story for over a year. She is still waiting a for a life-saving bone marrow match but thrilled she is helping save others. For Leslie and her mother, Rhonda Harris, playing with Leslie's son Ayden is such a joy, it's hard to think this moment almost didn't happen. "They said I had a three percent chance of living, to write my will and call my family," Leslie Harris explained. September 2011 doctors diagnosed Leslie with leukemia while she was in the hospital giving birth. Doctors gave her six months to a year to live without a life-saving bone marrow match. The news sent her family spinning and searching for a match. "I sat down after 24 hours of terror and I was holding the baby and I literally said you have to calm me one way or another," said Rhonda Harris. "My mom got real worried and she started crying and said how are we supposed to find 25.000 donors and I said mom, we only need one. We only need one for me," said Leslie Harris.

    So, Leslie was given 6 months to live. She has lived for over a year now. Without the medications that she takes daily, she would have been dead now though. If Leslie couldn't afford these medications, she would die. Are you willing to let people like Leslie die because they are POOR? Should Leslie have just given up and died to save other people money if she couldn't afford her medicine?
    They gave her a 3% chance. It came up. The odds were 97% that she would die. Horses regularly win races at 33 to one odds.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Right, and that is a personal choice to be made by the patient and his/her family. I don't think it should matter whether a person is "poor" or not. They are still entitled to treatment if that is what they choose, and there ARE cases where patients with a doctor-prescribed death sentence beat the odds. It is NOT that unusual for patients to WAY outlive the time they were afforded by their physicians with medication and treatment.
    It's made that way everyday in this country. It is inherent in capitalism. What you can't afford, you can't have.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    No dignity, self respect, or hope.
    ironic coming from the person advocating euthanasia. Face it, there is no dignity in what you are advocating, it is nothing more than base murder.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's made that way everyday in this country. It is inherent in capitalism. What you can't afford, you can't have.
    Then what the hell good is Medicare and Medicaid? Why even friggin bother?

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