Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.
Alexis de Tocqueville
This IS what happens when you put the Government in-charge of healthcare, this IS what could happen in America. Its sad.
AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.
You mentioned reality, as if there is no way to intervene in reality. Myself I aim higher I dont give in so easily that I would accept that today in modern times that we should let people die at of need of money to pay for medical care. And fortunately your way of thinking is in the minority. BTW it is only people like you that are talking about the lazy idiots the rest of us have observed that compassion can be met with sacrifices. Your problem is that all you are concerned about is deadbeats but I am not even talking about deadbeats, I am talking about the reality that some people are just not available to pay huge amounts of money for a service that would save their life. We are actually talking about people that worked very hard all their lives or children that could not chose their parents nor their families.
But then compassion is the last thing on your mind when it comes to your bank account isnt Evenstar?
"If I take death into my life, acknowledge it, and face it squarely, I will free myself from the anxiety of death and the pettiness of life - and only then will I be free to become myself." ~ Martin Heidegger
The bold is your arguments against an mysterious argument in which I never gave. Who made those claims and assertions? I never did.I know of no other way to relate on DP than to share my personal experiences. I firmly believe that our country cannot afford to think that "life at any price" is the responsibility of our government.
Ill make that clear for you since you seem to think that I said those things.
I never said that government was responsible for medical care. I said that we the people are responsible for we the people.
And FFS I never said anything about quantity of life vs quality of life. That was all you.
Perhaps it is your argument that needs mature? Countless generations of Americans never gave in as you are right now. Americans have resolve and ambition we are not the type of people who give up on a challenge, at least not all of us. Its all about priorities and the will to make the world a better place. Money is a factor in that challenge but a prosperous country can work miracles you could say that Americans have worked these miracles before and we will do it again. I have faith in this country and its system of government. Many Americans will not bow down and give up just because a pessimistic section of society thinks that we should. I am for one glad that our countries founders were not defeatists like yourself, or we would all be bowing to the King right now crying about the hard truths of monarchies.And, further, I believe that quality of life far outweighs quantity. As a society, we've just got to grow up and face those hard truths.
Do you really think that the $99 a month seniors pay for Medicare comes anywhere close to paying for their medical bills?? What have people paid into the system? They've paid in a whopping 1.45% of their income only since 1983. Now, if you're 12 years old, I suppose this sounds like forever; but for baby boomers retiring now? It's only half of their working career, at best. At best. So, let's look at the numbers: let's be generous!! An average annual income of $50K for 29 years = Medicare premium payments that total $21,000. One simple surgery, 3 days in the hospital? Kiss that all goodbye. One knee replacement? Probably all of that and more.
Medicare is unsustainable. That is a given. But know what? That's not the most important part of the basis discussions like this. The most important part is that it is not humane to continue to aggressively treat dying patients. It's inhumane to put a terminally ill person on a breathing machine long-term. It's wrong to shoot the poisons we call chemotherapy into a terminally ill patient (making them sicker than DOGS) for the sake of two more months.
We simply have to learn that death is a natural part of life. And we have to learn to have these discussions without people insinuating that those who wish to have these discussions are heartless.
If you want to live on a breathing machine having food pumped into your stomach through a hole in your side while you lie helpless in bed for months on end waiting for your heart to give out or your kidneys to fail? Bed sores infecting? Breathing tube infecting? Stomach tube infecting? Intractable pain. That's on you. As for most of the rest of us?? That's a scene from a very scary horror movie. And money has nothing to do with it.
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Thank you, Quazi!
At the end of a the day, those small remote communities exist in every country. Hospitals tend to be put in the large population areas and then people have to come to said hospitals... not the other way around. So again.. using the "size of my country" excuse is just idiotic. No one puts a 400 bed hospital in a town of 3000 people.