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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Has been repeatedly. Don't you remember it was even lie of the year. They spell it out pretty well, as do others. Surely you don't need these links repeated?
    Its up to you to prove me wrong. Hint: just you saying it doesn't prove anything.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Its up to you to prove me wrong. Hint: just you saying it doesn't prove anything.
    For God's sake, apdst -- one just has to Snopes it: snopes.com: Seniors Beware

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Wow. Well, there's not much chance of my ending up with your witch's curse. My life and death is planned out. Tom, my significant other I've been with for 13 years, isn't my HCPOA. My cousin is. I've had long talks with her, and she is quite aware of the 3-day rule (as in 3minutes/3days/3weeks). I've made my wishes very clear to her, and I trust that she will abide by them with not a guilty bone in her body.

    I stand by what I said. COPD, in the long run, gets nothing but worse from day of diagnosis. Live long enough? One will die from it or its complications. That is NOT the same thing as the terminal illnesses I've referred to in my posts.

    Money was not a consideration in my late husband's case -- nor my father's. Both were on Medicare. My late husband elected not to take chemotherapy. They'd have been thrilled to administer it to him at an average cost of $50,000 to the system. And the hospital where my dad died? They would have also been thrilled to keep him in intensive care for six months until he finally gave up the ghost.

    These decisions should always be made for the good of the patient. No where did I say anything differently. Not for the good of the family. Not to assuage their conscience. Not to keep them from feeling guilty. Not because they can't bear to make hard decisions. For the good of the patient. Always. And keeping a terminal patient alive until their poor little bodies finally give up is often not in the best interest of the patient at all.

    I understand what you are saying here Maggie, and applaud your planning, something I should probably look into myself....But I am curious, given your circumstances, would you be upset if the state, ie; governmental board like the NHS, or our own newly formed IPAB, over rode your careful planning, and determined that they knew better when to fold their arms, and just give the pain pill?
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The "care pathway" is where they sedate patients and then withdraw life sustaining care, basically killing them off.
    The protocol doesn't kill them. Their medical condition does.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post

    Right now we don't have anything like that. What we have is bureaucracies that will operate without accountability that have been set up by a law that was narrowly passed along partisan lines and doesn't even have the support of a majority of the people. It's not sustainable.
    Unfortunately, that is what happens we collectively place our trust in government to meet our health care needs, rather than being willing to pay for it ourselves at the individual level.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    Is that bad? They're the ones who are going to have to live with it.
    It isn't bad, in and of itself. What is bad, is expecting everyone else to pay for it.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I understand what you are saying here Maggie, and applaud your planning, something I should probably look into myself....But I am curious, given your circumstances, would you be upset if the state, ie; governmental board like the NHS, or our own newly formed IPAB, over rode your careful planning, and determined that they knew better when to fold their arms, and just give the pain pill?
    No doctor is going to make that decision while I'm lucid. And with a healthcare power of attorney in my cousin's name, she's me. I, unlike others here, don't fear that doctors are going to "off me" just for the helluvit.

    Everyone should have a HCPOA in place. Every single one. It is a gift to your family. It is a gift to yourself. Otherwise intelligent people have trouble facing the necessity of having one. I was my husband's. My husband was mine. I wouldn't burden my Angel Boy Tommy with that as he'd keep me propped up in the living room holding my hand while watching TV 'til I dried up and blew away. That's why I chose my cousin. And I'm blessed that she accepted that awesome responsibility. (We're like sisters.)
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Is this a prediction or are you speaking of something in the PPACA?
    The PPACA had provisions in it, to reduce Medicare spending, but the doc fix was passed, which eliminated that.
    PPACA was supposed to be paid for, mostly from cuts in Medicare.


    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    For you maybe $10k. For me a $billion might not be enough.
    For me, $1 trillion+.
    There is the problem though, most people want no expense spared to pay for their life.
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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then don't use poor sources, and seek clarification and not weak links between un similar things.
    A source isn't poor just because you don't like their editorial slant. The important facts of the story were correct.

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    Re: 60,000 patients put on death pathway without being told...

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    These people spent their entire working lives paying into medicaid, the world's largest ponsi scheme, and when it comes time to cash that out, "Sorry, our government has horrifically mismanaged that money, so your life is now too expensive."
    Look at the numbers hon. They don't add up. You can't spend your lifetime paying into a program, when your expenditure needs don't come anywhere near that which you have spent, and expect it to be otherwise. It's the same problem we have with SS. The majority of SS recipients receive far more in benefits, than they ever paid in. This is why it doesn't work long term, and that is why government healthcare is doomed for failure from the outset.
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