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    Re: 10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

    Well minimum wage here is at or above 10$ for most provinces while others have just below with the lowest at 9.50$/hour. We still have better unemployment than the U.S. and our calculations are more conservative than yours.

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    Re: 10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by smalltime View Post
    The extreme is just another way of proving the point.

    What is the reason states don't just raise the wage to $25.00 an hour?
    By the time the WH gets around to QE4 & 5 it will end up being that way. We can only print so fast.

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    Re: 10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    People (mainly liberals, socialists, etc) clamor for higher minimum wage all the time. This is simple math really. Business owners will simply fire one worker and make another work harder to make up for it. It's like the call for socialized medicine. Employers have already figured a way around it. That's the problem with all of these social programs. We're in a capitalist system. The business owners will simply find a way around them everytime.
    Because it makes no sense to compensate any worker beyond their ability to produce. This is the foolishness that causes unions to eventually self distruct. Paying a worker $15/hour to stand in one spot, on an assembly line, and attach the left doors to cars is one thing, pay that same worker, for that same job, $22 per hour, is simply silly. It soon comes to be that a non-union made, competing car is much more affordable (thus popular?) and then reality sets in; production costs are giong up, yet product sales are going down. Does anyone remember Oldsmobile?
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    Re: 10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Washington state min wage is over 9 bucks now and their economy seems about average with other states and I have not seen burger joints closing in mass.
    The jobs that would be lost if any are those that could be done in other areas (either through import or exports)

    Jobs that provide local services of course would not be lost, provided the other people in the region are still making money and can afford to pay for the services. As Washington does not engage in low wage manufacturing or services (call centers) to any large degree the job loss's would be minimal
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    Re: 10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't think it'll make much difference from a "getting a job" perspective. It's good news for minimum-wage earners; that's for sure. Companies don't usually hire people they don't need, so it's not like they're just going to stop hiring because minimum wage went up by $510 a year. If they can't afford it? Best they go out of business and let someone else enter the marketplace with a better business model.
    Actually if they can't afford it, they will find a way to purchase capital that will do the job instead. You know all those self-checkout counters they have at supermarkets now? Did you notice how those started to go up three months after the last time Congress raised the national minimum wage? Unemployment started climbing about the same time.


    The notion that "well if you can't afford to pay a wage of X then you don't deserve to be in business" is as destructive as the idea that "if you don't have the skill set to make your labor worth X then you don't deserve to work".
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    Re: 10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Notice that the term "Entry Level Job" has been quietly removed from the American lexicon.

    Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be career jobs, they are jobs for the elderly and kids. In the past twenty years, the United States has imported millions of people with the mindset that once they get a minimum wage job, they stay forever, that is their career. Sometimes they move to another minimum wage job.

    That "Minimum wage job as career" mindset also includes NEVER doing anything to improve yourself, never learning, never advancing and never getting an education You simply stay in the job, keeping others out and scream because your wages are too low to raise your family of five children. That is the mindset of the non-Western immigrants. These people vote for liberals who condemn employers as "stingy" for not giving them more money and when the minimum wage is raised, the government gets more in taxes from the employer.
    They take those jobs and stay with them because of the taxpayer funded benefits they receive.

    I posted somewhere else on here that a single parent with 2 kids under the age of 16 making $20k/yr is eligible for benefits which net out to the same disposable income as someone else in the same family situation making $50k/yr. (link)

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    Re: 10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Washington state min wage is over 9 bucks now and their economy seems
    about average with other states and I have not seen burger joints closing in mass.
    Average ? What States are you using. Washington States economy is horrible right now.

    I guess I find it hard to see any light at the end of the tunnel when Houston, Tx is and Texas in general is the primary source for economic activity in North America.

    All averages compared to us equals a list of failing States.

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    Re: 10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    People (mainly liberals, socialists, etc) clamor for higher minimum wage all the time. This is simple math really. Business owners will simply fire one worker and make another work harder to make up for it. It's like the call for socialized medicine. Employers have already figured a way around it. That's the problem with all of these social programs. We're in a capitalist system. The business owners will simply find a way around them everytime.
    Problem is if the job is labor intensive what you propose probably isn't possible. And if it is, most sane employers have already done it. If I have three employees and can fire one and still accomplish the same work I'm carrying dead weight with three employees. I should fire one regardless of minimum wage (and in a competitive economic system, failing to fire the dead weight will put my business out of business - either capitalism is broken or this idea of firing a worker and making others work harder is dumb.)

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    Re: 10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    Problem is if the job is labor intensive what you propose probably isn't possible. And if it is, most sane employers have already done it. If I have three employees and can fire one and still accomplish the same work I'm carrying dead weight with three employees. I should fire one regardless of minimum wage (and in a competitive economic system, failing to fire the dead weight will put my business out of business - either capitalism is broken or this idea of firing a worker and making others work harder is dumb.)
    This is partially inaccurate. I cede to you that a larger company will not follow this model. However, more than 50% of employees are employed by small businesses. There are many business owners, small businesses in particular, that will hold on to a worker even if it puts a little bit of a dent in their profit. But when it gets to the point that its costing them to employ said worker, they'll fire him. Firing/laying people off sometimes hurts businesses worse that cutting people to get a little more profit. No business wants former employees speading bad gouge about them or protesting in front of their store, plant, etc. Capitalism does have a human factor in it. Not all business owners are cold hearted snakes as they are depicted by liberal talking heads and politicians.
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    Re: 10 States to Boost Minimum Wage.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually if they can't afford it, they will find a way to purchase capital that will do the job instead. You know all those self-checkout counters they have at supermarkets now? Did you notice how those started to go up three months after the last time Congress raised the national minimum wage? Unemployment started climbing about the same time.


    The notion that "well if you can't afford to pay a wage of X then you don't deserve to be in business" is as destructive as the idea that "if you don't have the skill set to make your labor worth X then you don't deserve to work".
    I think you're reading way too much in your individual observations and you should get some more information before you credit the creation and implementation of the self check out machine to minimum wage laws. Personally I think its more much reasonable to say these machines, like automated assembly lines, are replacing some workers because the cost of operating them isn't just below minimum wage but so far below that it wouldn't matter what the minimum wage was or if there even was one it would still be more economical to employ these machines.
    Last edited by Wiseone; 01-01-13 at 10:08 PM.

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