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Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

Texmex said:
You don't have to agree; you simply have to PAY more.:lamo

I'm sorry, but watching a rich lawyer complain is too good to pass up! :lamo
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You know what is even funnier? That you fail to realize where the money comes from to make us the 'rich'...now, who exactly is gonna' pay more?

now get back in front of the plow...:lamo
 
Dickieboy said:
You know what is even funnier? That you fail to realize where the money comes from to make us the 'rich'...now, who exactly is gonna' pay more?

now get back in front of the plow...:lamo
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At least you admit your wealth derives from the labor of others.
 
TaraAnne said:
Why are you trying to deflect from you post about how Bush 2 was better than Obama which he was not. Furthermore you are again deflecting on the fact that lower taxes do not equal more jobs, the only thing they do is raise the debt and deficit. However they may and very very thin may create jobs in the short term, long term they have been very bad for this country. You simply cant have more money in your pocket and pay down any debt the math does not work period. Please keep the Constitution out of this, this is something that Conservatives like to fall back on as some kind of shield for their ideology just like the bible when they need to have some random justification for their unsound social and fiscal principles.

Republicans are largely responcible for the spending problems that is fact. Until they both come to the table with real cuts to the military, loopholes, taxes this is not going to happen. The Republicans did not want to deal with this until after the election which they like most Republicans thought they were going to win. This is something that should have been dealt with along time ago and one could argue that it should have happened in the late years of the Bush admin.
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we will have to disagree. If you are a net tax payer Bush was far better, If you prefer to suck from the Public teat or you get power pandering to said teat suckers, then Obama is better.

the main reason why government is too big is due to the New Deal and the massive reorganization of the constitutional jurisprudence foisted upon the USA by FDR's lapdog jurists.

I love how you just want to ignore the constitution but then again, that is consistent with your party's history for the last 80 years

and based on your asserted social issue which might trump economics-Yes Obama is probably better for that one issue that may be of upmost importance for you
 
cado20 said:
The problem there are too many moochers who live of the government and don't even look for work, there are 3rd generation people who learned not to work and to live off the system from their parents.
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its in the DNC's interest to create legions of teat suckers who vote to keep the teat full of milk paid for by others
 
I think many people benefit from the labor of others not just the "rich"
 
Dickieboy said:
You know what is even funnier? That you fail to realize where the money comes from to make us the 'rich'...now, who exactly is gonna' pay more?

now get back in front of the plow...:lamo
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Well, my boss will pay more, but it won't affect my salary. It will remain the same. Our work load is increasing so I guess I'll let you pull that plow.
 
That makes alot of sense.
 
Texmex said:
You don't have to agree; you simply have to PAY more.:lamo

I'm sorry, but watching a rich lawyer complain is too good to pass up! :lamo
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As a member of the DP Bar, I must object.

The middle class is doing themselves a huge disservice lumping themselves in with the poor.

I pay a lot of taxes. Business taxes, property taxes, excise taxes on 50 million phone lines, employer contributions toward employee taxes, well beyond just my personal taxes. But you know what, that does not bother me so much. What bothers me is that there is ZERO meaningful effort to control welfare spending or break the cycles of dependency. When the democrats cut from one place, they spend it somewhere else and pretend they saved billions of dollars. A lot of the alleged medicaid savings are just pushed onto medicare via the new extended medicare covered nursing home periods, for instance. What SSI has become should be an embarrassment to the democrats but they actually defend letting drug addicts and deadbeats game the system. I have zero problem helping a lot of people out, but I have huge fundamental irreconcilable problems with treating the social safety net as a political tool to game elections.
 
Texmex said:
Well, my boss will pay more, but it won't affect my salary. It will remain the same. Our work load is increasing so I guess I'll let you pull that plow.
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Nope, my plow pullin' days are over...thank you very much...still failing to realize I see...one day maybe...:lamo
 
cado20 said:
The problem there are too many moochers who live of the government and don't even look for work, there are 3rd generation people who learned not to work and to live off the system from their parents.
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Unless there's labor shortages I'm not too concerned with moochers. Just less competition for the jobs so that people who really want to work have better odds. I like employing people who want to work more than those who simply don't want to starve.
 
Maybe, but there are millions (with a M) of people who don't work, now you can't tell me that their jobs won't help boost the economy, and you also can't tell me that them having a job is a bad.
 
cado20 said:
I think many people benefit from the labor of others not just the "rich"
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yeah the 47% who don't pay income tax for starters, yet use government services paid for by those taxes
 
Exactly
 
This deal was made months ago. Don't you guys get it? This was all for show. NOT ONE of those folks had any plans to let us go over the "fiscal cliff". But they had to play at it, to show each side's constituants how serious they are, and how hard they fight for "the people".

If each side were actually serious, this pile of garbage would have been crafted months ago, and it wouldn't be so much a pile of garbage.


Does it really take a freaking genius to determine that the way out of this mess is to spend a little less, and take in a little more? Seriously? Is it THAT hard?
 
sadly, not good chances
 
Its not that simple, and it somewhats takes a genius to figure out the mess Obama's made and how we are going to clean it up, O and please trust me this was not a show they just cant reach agreement because they are serious
 
KevinKohler said:
This deal was made months ago. Don't you guys get it? This was all for show. NOT ONE of those folks had any plans to let us go over the "fiscal cliff". But they had to play at it, to show each side's constituants how serious they are, and how hard they fight for "the people".

If each side were actually serious, this pile of garbage would have been crafted months ago, and it wouldn't be so much a pile of garbage.


Does it really take a freaking genius to determine that the way out of this mess is to spend a little less, and take in a little more? Seriously? Is it THAT hard?
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I think it is a strong possibility this way was agreed upon to let the GOP save face with their base and their pledge not to raise taxes. This way the taxes increase automatically and then they can claim credit for lowering tax rates for the majority of the country.
 
Catawba said:
I think it is a strong possibility this way was agreed upon to let the GOP save face with their base and their pledge not to raise taxes. This way the taxes increase automatically and then they can claim credit for lowering tax rates for the majority of the country.
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How original...check post #10...
 
Catawba said:
I think it is a strong possibility this way was agreed upon to let the GOP save face with their base and their pledge not to raise taxes. This way the taxes increase automatically and then they can claim credit for lowering tax rates for the majority of the country.
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Are you serious!? If anyone was trying to look good it was the Democrats.
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah the 47% who don't pay income tax for starters, yet use government services paid for by those taxes
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What more to pay, work harder at that trickle down thingie.
 
cado20 said:
Maybe, but there are millions (with a M) of people who don't work, now you can't tell me that their jobs won't help boost the economy, and you also can't tell me that them having a job is a bad.
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I suppose you are handing out millions of jobs (with a M) for all the moochers? Maybe you could give up your job for one of them?
 
vvx said:
I suppose you are handing out millions of jobs (with a M) for all the moochers? Maybe you could give up your job for one of them?
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they probably would screw up and lose it, that is often the reason why they don't have jobs and others do
 
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