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    Re: Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

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    Re: Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    That's simple: To help pay down the national debt and get our deficit under control.

    I get the GOP ideological mindset that says that the best way to pay down the debt is to have more people working thus paying into the Treasury via federal income taxes, but since unemployment is still high and we know that spending cuts alone won't solve the problem AND the only class of wage earners who have made money during the recessionary period has been the wealth/investor-class, it makes sense that those who CAN afford to pay more now should do so.

    You can't tell me that all those millionairs and billionairs who contributed BILLIONS to both Pres. Obama, Mitt Romney, as well as every other congressmen and Senator who was up for election/re-election couldn't have put that money to better use by either paying higher wages or re-investing back into their businesses when "consumer confidence" was the problem that stiffled consumption. SuperPACs be damned!

    So, I really don't want to hear that the wealth-class is having financial problems or that you're somehow being treated unfairly. Spare me you sorrow.
    The only way to control the deficit, is to cut spending. Raising taxes won't work, because the more money the government has, the more it wants to spend. At some point, there won't be anyone to tax.

    Creating more tax payers--preferrably through more employment--is the best shot at creating more revenue. The government needs to get it's boot off the throat of private business and let them do what they do best...make money! Money that can be taxed...creating more revenue Raising taxes on job creators sure as hell isn't going to create more jobs and thus, more taxpayers.
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    Re: Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    That's simple: To help pay down the national debt and get our deficit under control.

    I get the GOP ideological mindset that says that the best way to pay down the debt is to have more people working thus paying into the Treasury via federal income taxes, but since unemployment is still high and we know that spending cuts alone won't solve the problem AND the only class of wage earners who have made money during the recessionary period has been the wealth/investor-class, it makes sense that those who CAN afford to pay more now should do so.

    You can't tell me that all those millionairs and billionairs who contributed BILLIONS to both Pres. Obama, Mitt Romney, as well as every other congressmen and Senator who was up for election/re-election couldn't have put that money to better use by either paying higher wages or re-investing back into their businesses when "consumer confidence" was the problem that stiffled consumption. SuperPACs be damned!

    So, I really don't want to hear that the wealth-class is having financial problems or that you're somehow being treated unfairly. Spare me you sorrow.
    The only way to control the deficit, is to cut spending. Raising taxes won't work, because the more money the government has, the more it wants to spend. At some point, there won't be anyone to tax.

    Creating more tax payers--preferrably through more employment--is the best shot at creating more revenue. The government needs to get it's boot off the throat of private business and let them do what they do best...make money! Money that can be taxed...creating more revenue Raising taxes on job creators sure as hell isn't going to create more jobs and thus, more taxpayers.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I knew they would. Now lets see how bad it ****s us over. Hope its not too bad.
    Considering we are raising taxes and not cutting enough spending, very bad.

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    Re: Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Considering we are raising taxes
    Ohh tickle me pink we are raising taxes by 4.6% on a very very small percentage of the population.. . And we are raising the estate tax on 5.1 million by 5%... Ohh the humanity.


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    Re: Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ohh tickle me pink we are raising taxes by 4.6% on a very very small percentage of the population... Ohh the humanity.
    And most importantly, not cutting spending. So we look like we are "raising taxes" but its really just a coverup for NOT CUTTING SPENDING.

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    Re: Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wait. What's getting cut?
    The republicans' manhood most likely.

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    Re: Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

    SO WAIT. We gave up tax hikes AND NOTHING'S GETTING CUT?!?

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    Re: Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Considering that the GOP viewed a tax increase on wage earner making $250K to be a negative for small businessowners, I'd say raising that threshold to $400/$450K to be a win for them. They also got to keep the rate on the estate tax higher than Democrats wanted and kept capital gains relatively in tact despite the 5% increase on $400/$450K wage earners.
    I want to punch you in the face. You don't want me to punch you in the face. So I punch you in the stomach instead...it's a win for you! Because that logic works great.....

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    Re: Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I want to punch you in the face. You don't want me to punch you in the face. So I punch you in the stomach instead...it's a win for you! Because that logic works great.....
    Yeah. This may make permanent alot of tax rates (which is good), but it's crap for "compromise"

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