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    Re: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted to hospital with blood clot following

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    I hope you are correct, just to piss your right-wing nuts off! I love it!
    More proof libs could care less about the Americans murdered in Benghazi

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    Re: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted to hospital with blood clot following

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm guessing you were waving this flag just as proudly and widely during 2008 when there were CONSTANT comments about Palin's looks throughout the entire campaign (and even still today).
    I was barely aware of my own ass in 2008 so no, I wasn't. I don't know what you think 2008 has to do with what I'm saying now, but I suspect you're trying to uncover partisan motivations where none exist. (I guess you didn't see my mention of Condoleezza Rice earlier in the thread.)

    I do agree there's a certain level of sexism still ingrained in our society (Though I think where we may split is I think there will ALWAYS be a certain level, on both ends of that line) but I also think it's just as likely that it was done because it was the easiest means of insulting the other side. It's why we were treated to the strange Paul Ryan faces, Biden "foot in mouth" references, "Bushisms", hamburger/fast food jokes with Clinton followed by sex jokes with Clinton, crazy Howard Dean yells, Bob Dole 3rd person pencil wagging, and on and on. People tend to be lazy, and I think a lot of times when it comes to making negative comments towards people that's where it comes from. Is sometime the lazy path sexist or racist or bigoted or insensitive, or something similar? Sure. But I think often it's less motivated by those things then it is by simple laziness. Not excusing it, just saying I don't think it's the primary motivation often and I think that's part of why it won't fully go away.
    The problem with your comparisons to criticisms of male politicians is that the criticisms you listed are based on criticizing the men as individuals not as men. When women like Clinton, Rice and Pelosi are criticized for their looks, that criticism is, in great part, about who they are as women in a society that judges women by what they offer physically much more than it does men. When Ryan, Biden and Dean are criticized, their criticisms are about their individual idiosyncrasies, not who they are as men.

    I don't think the majority of people who make such remarks about female's looks are motivated by sexism either. I don't think The Man was motivated by sexism. I think that the ultimately sexist attitudes towards women that lead much of society to objectify them are just ingrained into much of society's psyche and that those attitudes need to be "called out".

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    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted to hospital with blood clot following con

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I was barely aware of my own ass in 2008 so no, I wasn't. I don't know what you think 2008 has to do with what I'm saying now, but I suspect you're trying to uncover partisan motivations where none exist. (I guess you didn't see my mention of Condoleezza Rice earlier in the thread.)


    The problem with your comparisons to criticisms of male politicians is that the criticisms you listed are based on criticizing the men as individuals not as men. When women like Clinton, Rice and Pelosi are criticized for their looks, that criticism is, in great part, about who they are as women in a society that judges women by what they offer physically much more than it does men. When Ryan, Biden and Dean are criticized, their criticisms are about their individual idiosyncrasies, not who they are as men.

    I don't think the majority of people who make such remarks about female's looks are motivated by sexism either. I don't think The Man was motivated by sexism. I think that the ultimately sexist attitudes towards women that lead much of society to objectify them are just ingrained into much of society's psyche and that those attitudes need to be "called out".
    Men comment on women's looks, that's the way it's always been and always will be. It's not sexist behavior. I never said that Hillary is a dummie because she's ugly. That would be a sexist comment. I didn't make any disparaging remarks about Hillary as a person and her qualifications, I just said she's really ugly.

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    Re: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted to hospital with blood clot following

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The topic is mundane and revolves around a fact on how people normally perceive others that only takes a tiny amount of self acknowledgment to realize. You apparently lack the ability to self analyze and without the knowledge in toe to assist you on your way there was no hope you would of have ever managed to lift yourself out of calling everyone and everything sexist without my assistance that I begrudgingly gave you. So no, I'm not passionate about the topic, but I was admittedly annoyed you required assistance on the matter.
    Did I kill your dog or something? LOL. I can't imagine why me talking about a topic that consider "boring" and "mundane" would require you to dedicate several posts on it in which you also personally attack me when I wasn't even talking to you. Whatever issues you have, they should probably worked out somewhere else because I'm not too good with feelings.

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    Re: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted to hospital with blood clot following

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Men comment on women's looks, that's the way it's always been and always will be. It's not sexist behavior. I never said that Hillary is a dummie because she's ugly. That would be a sexist comment. I didn't make any disparaging remarks about Hillary as a person and her qualifications, I just said she's really ugly.
    Not all men objectify women. Don't use other people to excuse your own sexist behavior.

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    Re: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted to hospital with blood clot following

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Gotta disagree. While I heard a number on the right making comments, I heard a great deal on the left suggesting she got the nomination because she was hot or referencing her as just a pretty face, or as you said the "alaskan barbie" comments. Which even with that...if you're buying into the inherent sexism notion, how many guys in politics have you heard called "airheads", a term I heard often when discussing Palin's intelligence.

    Both sides got in on that game from what I remember.
    Airhead refers to her lack of substance rather than her appearance and that was the most constant criticism of Palin coming from the left. I do realize "airhead" speaks also, but in a lesser way, to her looks being the only reason she got the nomination, but discussing her intelligence is not discussing her looks. All that, "we have a hot nominee" crud, including the embarrassing blog post by Rich Lowry, following the V.P. debate.

    I'm sure I'm not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, "Hey, I think she just winked at me." And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can't be learned; it's either something you have or you don't, and man, she's got it.
    How many times has that been written about a male politician? I'll spot you Chris Matthews and his tingling leg.

    In the case of Palin, she wasn't dismissed for her looks so much as for what she was lacking and the fact that that was overlooked by team McCain (which many of them have admitted to).

    A woman isn't only her appearance and giving her unmerited credit because she has a good one or denigrating her credentials for lack of it, is sexist.

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    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted to hospital with blood clot following con

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not all men objectify women. Don't use other people to excuse your own sexist behavior.
    Like I already told you, it's not sexist behavior. And yes, ALL men (straight men anyway), comment on women's looks, that's not "objectifying" anything. If I were gay, I'd comment on men's looks. Simply commenting on a person's looks is NOT sexist behavior.

    If you're a girl (I'm guessing you are, though I don't know), if a guy tells you that you're hot, or you're beautiful, or you're attractive, do you call them sexist for commenting on your looks?
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    Re: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted to hospital with blood clot following

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post

    How many times has that been written about a male politician? I'll spot you Chris Matthews and his tingling leg.
    Well, Paul Ryan's abs of steel made the lead story on TMZ so........

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    Re: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted to hospital with blood clot following

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Well, Paul Ryan's abs of steel made the lead story on TMZ so........
    TMZ...I need not say more.

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    Re: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted to hospital with blood clot following

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Like I already told you, it's not sexist behavior. And yes, ALL men (straight men anyway), comment on women's looks, that's not "objectifying" anything. If I were gay, I'd comment on men's looks. That is NOT sexist behavior.
    You don't speak for all straight men so stop pretending you do. Not all men, straight or otherwise, judge the looks of every woman they see, particularly to the point where they think their crude comments are worth mentioning within the context of political discussions or health scares. That attitude is reserved for the shallow, usually sexist people who perpetuate sexist themes in society. Get it?

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